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NutMeg
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Long term low carb studies
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January 29, 2010, 06:17:20 AM »
I have been looking for a good research article that actually studies a gourp of people that have been low carb for a long term, maybe 2+ years. All the studies I have found have been 1 year or less, and they usually say something about LC being good fro weight loss and lipid profile, but then there is a discalaimer that it is probably only temporary and there needs to be long term research.
In my reading I found this study
http://www.eskiny.com/pdf/6.pdf
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I guess I feel like it is flawed research in that they did not allow the LF group to drink juice and do things that most people who eat LF do. So it made their carb intake artifically low for the 12 week period of the study. The typical 'healthy' diet is much higher in carb.
Anyway. Just one of those things i found and got annoyed with
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Re: Long term low carb studies
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January 29, 2010, 12:46:08 PM »
The Innuit are low carb. There's lot of info in here about their diet and health.
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January 29, 2010, 01:36:52 PM »
Well, the Inuit were low carb before meeting westerners. Some more recent studies may not properly note that that has changed.
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Re: Long term low carb studies
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February 01, 2010, 10:32:42 PM »
I have no idea why everyone keeps mentioning the Inuit as optimum. That's what happens when humans are pushed to the end, when they have to other place to live. That's is not optimum. I think you can find history of much healthier tribes in the American plains and other less extreme places.
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February 01, 2010, 11:31:56 PM »
Just for the record, I did not state them as ideal, just as an example of low carb. Peoples with access to vegetation and fruits (virtually everyone not living in the poles) are likely moderate carb on average.
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February 02, 2010, 01:50:35 AM »
1 in 5 hunter gatherer tribes
are carnivorous and most others eat predominately meat.
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February 05, 2010, 03:46:13 PM »
I agree with the study, however I think we are defining low carb differently. For me, low carb is less than 50g/day. Assuming a hunter-gatherer intake of 2,500 cals (could be more since they are hunting) and that 1g carbs = 4 cals, they only need 200 cals (less than 10% of their total intake) to be moderate carb in my book.
The study mentions that a lot of them get more than 85% of their calories from meat (both fat and protein). That would still mean that they would be getting ~ 375 cals from carbs which means ~ 90g carbs.
Groups living in more extreme conditions would probably get less carbs.
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February 05, 2010, 05:38:10 PM »
The 85% also didn't include gathered foods, which includes small animals, insects, larva, mollusks, etc.
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February 07, 2010, 03:07:21 PM »
We have lived in many different parts of the world and are accustomed to all the different environments. Pick whatever carb consumption you feel best at, just make sure all your ingredients are paleo.
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Quote from: Il Capo on February 05, 2010, 03:46:13 PM
I agree with the study, however I think we are defining low carb differently. For me, low carb is less than 50g/day.
I think that qualifies as "very low carb", at least. To the nonpaleo world, 100g/day qualifies as well into the "low carb" range.
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February 10, 2010, 08:56:13 AM »
I agree that 150 carbs is not LOW carb, more moderate crab. The problem with the study is that the average person that eats a low fat diet eats FAR more than 150 carbs a day. So the study was not comparing a true low fat diet with a low crab diet. It was comparing a low carb diet with a moderate crab diet, which is not the same.
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