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Offline samjohn

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Lowering sat fat and replacing with PUFA studies
« on: May 21, 2011, 12:34:06 AM »
http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pmed.1000252

I have 4-5 other studies in the same vein, PUFA vs SF, will post all once I've read them
« Last Edit: May 21, 2011, 03:36:11 AM by samjohn »
The answer to your question is 'eat more fat'.

Stop counting calories. If you are eating Paleo, there is usually no need.

If you are having weight loss issues, it'd be a good idea to start posting a detailed food journal, then everyone can help.

'Anecdotal Evidence' is an oxymoron.

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Re: Lowering sat fat and replacing with PUFA studies
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2011, 07:11:39 AM »
www.erna.org/UserFiles/PUFA.pdf

Studies trying to convince people to consume their profitable industrial plant oils fats which are totally NON-Paleo.

Pufa sources attached!  Disgraceful sources!

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Re: Lowering sat fat and replacing with PUFA studies
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2011, 08:39:11 AM »
http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pmed.1000252

I have 4-5 other studies in the same vein, PUFA vs SF, will post all once I've read them

Interesting.  Three observations:

- They seem to have excluded studies specifically looking at omega 3 supplementation, which is good.

- I'd bet that the saturated fats in many of their studies are strongly associated with trans fats, so that needs to be controlled for.  The evidence of heterogeneity also suggests that the factors at work are not as simple as saturated versus polyunsaturated.

- They looked at heart disease and not total mortality.  Often strokes go in the opposite direction of heart disease.  I wonder if strokes went up by more than the 10% heart disease went down.

I'll be interested in the individual studies when you post them.

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Re: Lowering sat fat and replacing with PUFA studies
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2011, 02:59:55 PM »
Important to note that this does not disagree with the Paleo diet, in fact to a certain extent it lends it even more support as grass fed beef is actually quite low in saturated fat compared to grain fed.
The answer to your question is 'eat more fat'.

Stop counting calories. If you are eating Paleo, there is usually no need.

If you are having weight loss issues, it'd be a good idea to start posting a detailed food journal, then everyone can help.

'Anecdotal Evidence' is an oxymoron.

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Re: Lowering sat fat and replacing with PUFA studies
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2011, 01:43:10 AM »
They were sent to me via email and I just haven't had time to look them all up yet.

Danaei, 2009-5% additional mortality risk for each 1% calories exchanging PUFA for SFA
Mozaffarian, 2009-Reduced risk associated with monounsaturated fatty acids (MUFA) and PUFA compared with SFA and trans-fatty acids (TFA)
Skeaff, 2009-reduced events by substituting PUFA
Jakobsen, 2009-5% exchange of SFA for PUFA: 13% decrease events, 26% decrease deaths
Van Horn, 2008-25-35% fats but <7% SFA and TFA reduces risk
Chanu, 2003-significant in longer term
Hooper, 2001-reducing total fat, SFA or cholesterol intake reduced events by 16% and deaths by 9%. Longer-term trials led to 24% reduction
Hu, 1999-exchanging SFA for nuts gave 45% reduction
Truswell, 1994-decrease SFA and cholesterol intake, partial replacement with PUFA: 6% reduced deaths, 13% reduced events
The answer to your question is 'eat more fat'.

Stop counting calories. If you are eating Paleo, there is usually no need.

If you are having weight loss issues, it'd be a good idea to start posting a detailed food journal, then everyone can help.

'Anecdotal Evidence' is an oxymoron.

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Re: Lowering sat fat and replacing with PUFA studies
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2011, 02:44:17 PM »
Danaei, 2009-5% additional mortality risk for each 1% calories exchanging PUFA for SFA

This is also a metaanalysis, so the same issues apply.  Also, the statement, which appears to be a quote from wikipedia, doesn't seem to be entirely accurate; the additional risk varied from 5% to 1% depending on age category.  Perhaps most importantly, the authors don't seem to think replacement of saturated fatty acids has anything to do with it:  "The interventions [sic] studies replaced dietary SFA with PUFA, hence the RRs measure the effect of replacement.  Effects of replacing PUFA for other macronutrients have not been evaluated in randomized inverventions [sic] studies.  However, evidence from cohort studies suggests that replacement of PUFA for carbohydrates, but not carbohydrates for SFA, would produce similar benefits, indicating that the measured benefits are due to PUFA."

Do you know if any of these are direct reports of single intervention studies, rather than metaanalyses?

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Re: Lowering sat fat and replacing with PUFA studies
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2011, 04:13:40 PM »
Sorry no, was just sent to me in an email, possibly just copy/pasted from somewhere else.
The answer to your question is 'eat more fat'.

Stop counting calories. If you are eating Paleo, there is usually no need.

If you are having weight loss issues, it'd be a good idea to start posting a detailed food journal, then everyone can help.

'Anecdotal Evidence' is an oxymoron.

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Re: Lowering sat fat and replacing with PUFA studies
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2011, 02:53:07 PM »
Two big paradoxes in the world of 'sat fat is bad'. The 'French Paradox' where high levels of sat fat are (were) eaten and cardiovascular health is good and the 'Israeli Paradox' where they eat large quantities of soybean oil and the results are crap. (Note: This is a high omega 6 and not high omega 3 diet)

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Re: Lowering sat fat and replacing with PUFA studies
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2011, 02:53:07 PM »