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Our paleolithic inheritance
« on: June 14, 2009, 09:02:40 PM »
I figured I'd put this here because it's research, though not dietary research.  It's an interesting video on current theories about human ancestors through about 3 million years ago, most of which was during the paleolithic.

Warning:  the total video is an hour long.  The most interesting part is probably the part between about 35 and 50 minutes in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff0jwWaPlnU

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Re: Our paleolithic inheritance
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2009, 11:40:37 PM »
Nice find.  That was interesting...
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Re: Our paleolithic inheritance
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2009, 10:50:07 PM »
Thanks for posting this link. I found it very interesting.

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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2010, 03:04:47 PM »
Here's an interesting new discovery:

http://johnhawks.net/weblog/reviews/neandertals/neandertal_dna/denisova-krause-2010.html

Basically, they've found a mitochondrial strain in a Siberian finger bone that diverged from the human strain approximately 1,000,000 years ago.  Humans and known neanderthals are on the same side of the divergence, although neanderthals were known to live in the same general area at the time the bone was deposited.

See the blog post and the papers it links to for more information.

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Re: Our paleolithic inheritance
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2010, 08:40:44 PM »
Another interesting piece, indicating that some modern humans may have some neanderthal genetic material after all:

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The researchers arrived at that conclusion by studying genetic data from 1,983 individuals from 99 populations in Africa, Europe, Asia, Oceania and the Americas. Sarah Joyce, a doctoral student working with Long, analyzed 614 microsatellite positions, which are sections of the genome that can be used like fingerprints. She then created an evolutionary tree to explain the observed genetic variation in microsatellites. The best way to explain that variation was if there were two periods of interbreeding between humans and an archaic species, such as Homo neanderthalensis  or H. heidelbergensis.

"This is not what we expected to find," says Long.

Using projected rates of genetic mutation and data from the fossil record, the researchers suggest that the interbreeding happened about 60,000 years ago in the eastern Mediterranean and, more recently, about 45,000 years ago in eastern Asia. Those two events happened after the first H. sapiens had migrated out of Africa, says Long. His group didn't find evidence of interbreeding in the genomes of the modern African people included in the study.
http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100420/full/news.2010.194.html
http://johnhawks.net/weblog/reviews/evolution/introgression/joyce-dalton-interbreeding-2010.html

I'll be interested in seeing the paper if and when it's available.

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Re: humans have neanderthal blood
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2010, 08:38:48 AM »
A belated update - the paper is now available:

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/328/5979/710

There's a good discussion here:

http://johnhawks.net/weblog/reviews/neandertals/neandertal_dna/neandertals-live-genome-sequencing-2010.html

Bottom line:  nonafrican humans have 1% to 4% more neanderthal blood than african humans, meaning that nonafrican humans have at least 1% to 4% neanderthal blood.  The important part of the finding is that it's not 0%.
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Re: Our paleolithic inheritance
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2010, 09:39:46 PM »
Thanks for posting this stuff everyone. I'm finding it hugely interesting - lots to learn and think about.
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Re: humans have neanderthal blood
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2010, 12:00:56 AM »
A belated update - the paper is now available:

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/328/5979/710

There's a good discussion here:

http://johnhawks.net/weblog/reviews/neandertals/neandertal_dna/neandertals-live-genome-sequencing-2010.html

Bottom line:  nonafrican humans have 1% to 4% more neanderthal blood than african humans, meaning that nonafrican humans have at least 1% to 4% neanderthal blood.  The important part of the finding is that it's not 0%.


So, are you saying that decendants of northern Europeans/somewhere else? could possess a significant amount of neanderthal DNA, such that one's physiology would be more like a neanderthal?
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Re: humans have neanderthal blood
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2010, 05:32:31 AM »
So, are you saying that decendants of northern Europeans/somewhere else? could possess a significant amount of neanderthal DNA, such that one's physiology would be more like a neanderthal?

We don't know exactly what the neanderthal DNA does yet, but it's possible.  Certainly from the standpoint of activity, Olympic track records tend to be held by Africans and Olympic weightlifting records by nonafricans - and for that matter, quarterbacks, who need strong arms, tend to be nonafrican, while wide receivers, who have to be fast, tend to have African descent - which is consistent with nonafricans having closer to the large upper body ratio of neanderthals.

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Re: humans have neanderthal blood
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2010, 08:36:31 PM »
That actually makes sense. Makes me think even more about a mostly meat diet. Might even explain why nonafricans tend to be hairier.
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Re: Our paleolithic inheritance
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2010, 01:46:23 PM »
I know my bodytype would be more endo-meso - shorter legs, fingers, stocky trunk and limbs... plus being hairy, broad nosed, and having a 20" neck would tell me I'm probably a bit on the neanderthal side of genetics. Meeting other strongman types from Eastern Block countries, Scotland, and Nordic countries confirm this for me (although there are major exceptions with the nords).

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Re: Our paleolithic inheritance
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2010, 04:34:16 PM »
And I come from people from the middle east by way of eastern Europe (Jewish).  I look like every other Mediterannean and Levantine ethnicity - people ask if I am whatever they are (Italian, Spanish, Arab, Turk, etc.)  I am short, stocky, hairy, etc.  I don't know, but I suspect so-called racial characteristics are relatively modern traits as people became more concentrated in particular areas rather than nomadic or even pastoral.
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Re: Our paleolithic inheritance
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2010, 05:58:38 PM »
So do I Bik!

I've watched many of the uni of arizona lectures. Many institutions have their stuff available to the public.
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Re: Our paleolithic inheritance
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2010, 07:04:57 PM »
And I come from people from the middle east by way of eastern Europe (Jewish).  I look like every other Mediterannean and Levantine ethnicity - people ask if I am whatever they are (Italian, Spanish, Arab, Turk, etc.  I am short, stocky, hairy, etc.  I don't know, but I suspect so-called racial characteristics are relatively modern traits as people became more concentrated in particular areas rather than nomadic or even pastoral.

You count as nonafrican for the purposes of the genetic findings I linked to.

Given the 1%-4% was found in east Asians as well as Europeans, it seems most likely that the relevant hybridization occurred in the middle east, when our nonneanderthal ancestors left Africa and encountered the neanderthals that then lived in the middle east.  That conjecture seems further bolstered by the fact that many middle eastern skeletons from that period a few tens of thousands of years ago seem to be intermediate between neanderthal and cro magnon forms.

Whether humans in more northerly parts of Europe have more neanderthal ancestry from further interbreeding is not yet known.  Partial genetic analysis of two neanderthals from further north indicate that they had lighter coloration, with perhaps red hair, but it was from an allele not found in the modern human population, so the lightening of complexion further north in Europe may be parallel adaptation.  We simply don't have enough information to know yet.

What I found most interesting was that east Asians also had neanderthal ancestry, since previous to this east Asians had been shown only to have significant amounts of likely Asian homo erectus ancestry not shared by Europeans or Africans.  That's what makes it most likely that the neanderthal hybridization occurred in the middle east, since on the path from Africa to the far East, neanderthals weren't found east of the middle east.

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Re: Our paleolithic inheritance
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2010, 08:15:05 PM »
I certainly jump like a non-African. Badabing!  :D

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