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QuoteI had acid reflex when I was a vegetarian. After I was diagnosed the doctor handed me a sheet of paper and one of the suggestions was "a low fat diet." I am thinking "what the f**k have I been doing for the past 10 years?"Haha, very true!! So, if it is true that meat is acid forming, then is it bad that we are eating so much of it? Do you have any of the same symptoms now, that you used to have back then when you were diagnosed with acid reflux?
I had acid reflex when I was a vegetarian. After I was diagnosed the doctor handed me a sheet of paper and one of the suggestions was "a low fat diet." I am thinking "what the f**k have I been doing for the past 10 years?"
Very interesting question on where the cows get calcium....huh! Where do they?
You know what, I made a startling discovery just now! I think that maybe my measurements of my greens are vastly underestimated. I actually took the time to put my greens in a measuring cup just now when making a salad, and it ended up being a LOT more than I would have thought. Also, I wonder too, when using the Cron-o-meter, about cooked greens. When they say "1 cup, cooked" does that mean it filled a 1 cup measuring cup pre-cooking, or after cooking? Because of course all those greens reduce down to hardly anything once they're cooked. So I've just been putting "1/2 cup cooked spinach" because I look at the finished, cooked product, and estimate that it looks like it would fill half of a 1 cup measuring cup. But prior to cooking, there was probably easily a full cup of it. Perhaps I've been getting 100% of my calcium this whole time and I didn't even know it!
Oxalates are chemicals found in plant foods but not in most animal foods. Some people are more likely to form kidney stones if they eat foods high in oxalates.
Nearly all fruits and vegetables increase the alkaline load on the body. The increased alkaline load reduces urinary loss of calcium. If you have The Paleo Diet by Cordain check pages 16 and 213.
Hard cheeses are from 200% to 450% more acid forming than beef. However, milk is only slightly acidic.
Some foods to consider eating more often:-magnesium (dry milk in homemade yogurt increases the percent of magnesium content through food)2 cups of calcium fortified orange juice a day provides: protective citrate, a substitute for potassium citrate, a drug used to prevent kidney stones additional calcium which research shows actually help break up the kidney stones.- 6-10 8oz. glasses of water a day-Vitamin C - ONLY 500 mg a day. Ascorbic acid can inhibit urinary pH (which lowers urinary citrate, a natural inhibitor of kidney stones).-potassium foods, such as fruits and vegetables-small amounts of meat (about the size of a deck of cards), and, if possible, the elimination of red meat from the diet []-standard 800-1,000 mg of calcium per day from foods, not supplements. Low calcium may allow absorption of oxalates.-Having overindulged, drink 2 full glasses of water.-Get 10 mg of Vitamin B6 from food. One source of Vitamin B6: eat the tip of a banana, the dark part lodging between the banana and the skin.
Measurement of oxalate content in vegetables commonly consumed in New Zealand shows that cooking reduces the oxalate content of the food by leaching losses into the cooking water.
There was a high proportion of water-soluble oxalate in most of the tested raw vegetables. Boiling markedly reduced soluble oxalate content by 30-87% and was more effective than steaming (5-53%) and baking (used only for potatoes, no oxalate loss). An assessment of the oxalate content of cooking water used for boiling and steaming revealed an approximately 100% recovery of oxalate losses. The losses of insoluble oxalate during cooking varied greatly, ranging from 0 to 74%. Because soluble sources of oxalate appear to be better absorbed than insoluble sources, employing cooking methods that significantly reduce soluble oxalate may be an effective strategy for decreasing oxaluria in individuals predisposed to the development of kidney stones.
Calcium is one of the most difficult minerals to absorb (see the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, August 2000, 72:466-471). The recommended intake for calcium is based on the supposition that only about 30% of dietary calcium is absorbed. Minerals require transporting agents, such as amino acids (protein) or lipids (fats), to carry them into the small intestine for absorption. Skim milk provides little fat and little protein. One per cent milk is a better option.
Recker et al. (1988), using 45Ca as an extrinsic label, found that Caabsorption in post-menopausal women from milk products (whole milk, chocolate milk,yoghurt, imitation milk, cheese) was similar to calcium carbonate, with means ranging from22 to 27 YO from a 25 mg dose. The present experiment re-affirms the results of the originalbalance studies on dairy and plant foods in that the Ca in skimmed milk was betterabsorbed than that in watercress soup. The reason for this is unclear but may beattributable to substances present in the watercress soup that bind Ca thereby rendering itless absorbable, e.g. oxalate (Pingle & Ramasastri, 1978) and fibre (Kelsay et al. 1979), plusthe fact that certain components of milk have been implicated as enhancers of Caabsorption, e.g. lactose (Charley & Saltman, 1963) and casein (Lee et al. 1979).
But two findings were unexpected. First, bone resorption—in which calcium is taken away from bones via the bloodstream—was the same for omnivore women as for vegan women."The current model predicts increased bone resorption for people who consume large amounts of animal protein, so it was somewhat surprising that bone resorption was the same for both groups of our volunteers," Van Loan notes.Second, bone formation was significantly less in omnivore women than in vegan women. This happened even though the omnivore women had a higher calcium intake than did the vegan volunteers. (The volunteers did not differ in their intake of other nutrients that affect bone health, such as magnesium.)Using the model as a basis, "one would not have predicted a significantly greater amount of bone formation for vegan volunteers than for omnivore volunteers," Van Loan adds.The implication for people who eat high amounts of animal protein may be important: Specifically, over time, the net effect of a lower amount of bone formation would likely be a decrease in bone density.
So apparently, eating a lot of meat (like on a Paleo diet?) causes a net loss in bone density!
A joint Australian-Vietnamese study of links between the bones and diet of more than 2,700 people found that vegetarians had bones five percent less dense than meat-eaters, said lead researcher Tuan Nguyen.
A study of the bone density of vegetarianscompared with age- and sex-matched omnivorecontrols was carried out. A significantdifference was noted in vegetarians, whichsuggests that they are less prone to osteoporosisthan omnivores.
the two studies....suggest that a vegan diet may pose a higher risk of compromised bone status...
A strong positive association was found between animal protein intake and incidence of hip fracture...The risk of hip fracture was not related to calcium or vitamin D intake, but was inversely associated with total protein intake....It is proposed that animal protein, by virtue of its high content of sulfur amino acid, may induce bone loss...A vast majority of these studies lend support to the inclusion of dairy products to maintain BMD and reduce osteoporotic fractures in women but not men.... Fruit and vegetable intake was positively associated with BMD in both men and women.......Magnesium supplementation to osteoporotic women for 2 years resulted in slower bone loss and fewer fractures than in a control group. A diet high in potassium also tends to decrease rates of calcium excretion....In fact, it has been demonstrated that the highest base-forming potential is for fruits and vegetables and the highest acid-forming potential is for meat, cheese, and fish.
...there is now evidence that due to the effects of a high intake of protein on the calciumexcretion and acid-base balance, the bone stability is detrimentally affected. Sulfur-containingamino acids from protein are metabolized to sulfuric acid. An imbalance between acid and base-formingconstituents in food leads to a chronic net acidification, and without compensation a chronic metabolicoveracidification (latent acidosis) develops. Above all animal protein increases the renal net acid excretionin contrast with vegetable protein...Although latent acidosis leads on the one hand to a release of bases fromthe bones to maintain the acid-base balance, the released minerals, above all calcium, are lost via theurine, and in the long run this results in a decrease of the bone mineral content and bone mass. Additionally,latent acidosis stimulates the activity of bone-resorbing osteoclasts and inhibits the activity ofbone-forming osteoblasts.....Conclusion: Throughout the world, the per capita consumption of animal protein is associated with ahigher hip fracture risk in women over 50, and the consumption of vegetable foods with a lower risk.However, the analysis of the bone density measurements showed no correlation with the intake ratiofrom animal and vegetable protein, particularly not when the body weight and age were taken into account.It can therefore be concluded that an adequate diet corresponding to a high total protein intakeand resulting higher body weight plays an important role with regard to an adequate bone density.On the other hand, elderly women with a high proportion of animal protein showed a clearly more rapidloss in bone density and a higher risk of hip fracture than women with a lower proportion. With advancingage, the excess acidity caused by the high protein consumption has a particularly disadvantageouseffect on the bone stability because due to the declining kidney function, the capacity to excrete acidssteadily decreases. In addition, latent acidosis leads to an increased breakdown of muscle protein. Nitrogenous degradative products like, for example, glutamine serve as initial compounds for the synthesis of basic ammonia in the kidney cells. Like the bones, the muscular system becomes involvedas a base reserve for maintaining the acid-base balance with the consequence that with declining muscular strength in old age, the risk of hip fractures resulting from falls increases.Taken together, the results confirm the hypothesis that an increased intake of protein of vegetable originand concomitant reduction of the consumption of animal protein reduces the nutrition-induced acidification; as a result of the protection of the body’s endogenous reserves this provides, both the bone loss as well as the risk of hip fracture in old age can be reduced. The basic minerals occurring mainly in vegetable foods which reduce protein-induced acidification are assumed to be responsible for this effect.
Advocates claim that consuming a diet high in acidic foods, such as animal protein, sugar, caffeine, and processed foods, may disrupt the pH of the bloodstream, and increase a person's likelihood of developing chronic or degenerative diseases. Foods that are acidic include sugar, caffeine, wheat, saturated fats, processed foods, carbonated beverages, peanuts, pasta and white rice.
ACIDIFYINGBEANS & LEGUMESBlack BeansChick PeasGreen PeasKidney BeansLentilsPinto BeansRed BeansSoy BeansSoy MilkWhite BeansRice MilkAlmond Milk
ALKALIZINGPROTEINAlmondsChestnutsMilletTempeh (fermented)Tofu (fermented)Whey Protein Powder
PROTEINEggsWhey Protein PowderCottage CheeseChicken BreastYogurtAlmondsChestnutsTofu (fermented)Flax SeedsPumpkin SeedsTempeh (fermented)Squash SeedsSunflower SeedsMilletSprouted SeedsNuts