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Re: Less iron needed for oral contraptive users
« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2009, 03:17:24 AM »
Thanks WarrenDew!

Goodsamaritan, did you read my last post? It seems like you missed it or maybe misread it? I didn't talk about drug studies at all.  ???  So, do you believe that no one should ever take any prescriptions at all? Or any medicine?

Re: your raw diet suggestion; I appreciate your suggestions and concern for my health. In terms of eating totally raw, I personally don't do well at all with eating raw veggies, they seem to upset my digestion. I do much better with sauteeing them in animal fat or boiling them in broth. From what I understand, this helps process the nutrients better for human digestion as well (for example, in order to get the vitamin A from carrots, I've read that it is important to cook them first, ideally in some kind of fat). Also, cooking greens that contain oxalates, helps break down the oxalates somewhat (see my postings on oxalates in the Calcium thread). Not to mention it makes me feel better and healthier when I cook them, which is the most convincing part to me! I've been searing my meats and fish rather than cooking them to "well-done", but I wouldn't eat them totally raw for fear of bacteria.

As far as the other techniques you and Shell-piece mentioned, I am not familiar with them but when I researched them, they seem a bit strange and "New Age-y" to me and don't seem like my cup of tea. The "nurturing technique" you mentioned, is a type of massage, right? And the EMO-free technique is a type of tapping, correct? I personally don't like chiropractic, massage or many other "alternative" techniques, I'm sure they work great for some folks, but not everyone (I definitely don't buy into chiropractic). I think some folks just really do better with modern (Western) medicine, like the shell-shock victims I mentioned earlier. Plus, as I mentioned, I'm really not interested in dropping my oral contraceptives when they've brought me nothing but positives! If there were any negatives, I would consider it, but there aren't. Why would I want to risk going back to the miserable, dysfunctional life I used to have, if there's nothing to be gained?

I do appreciate your concern though, and I welcome any data that you can show me that there are definable negatives. Here's a site that shows the low-dose oral contraceptive that I use (it is the generic for "Seasonale") has the following negative effects, so I am aware of these:
http://www.healthyontario.com/DrugDetails.aspx?brand_id=4971&brand_name=Seasonale%E2%84%A2

As I've mentioned, I have had none of the negative side effects that they mention are possible. Also the benefits of not having periods any longer (I take only the "active" pills, not the placebo weeks, so no more periods at all), not possibly getting pregnant, as well as a lower risk of certain types of cancers make it very worthwhile to me.

Here's a comment from someone I found that made a lot of sense, and agrees with what WarrenDew mentioned:
http://burningwoman.tribe.net/thread/58dc7166-a92e-4a70-b9ec-e30d9b579e38
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The point the OP was making was not that birth control causes cancer, but that the *way* we use birth control causes cancer. I've heard this from the docs who used to give me my Depo shots--it is better to use birth control varieties that result in fewer bleeding periods for two reasons. The first reason is that the "periods" we have on hormonal BC aren't *really* periods--they are symptoms of hormone withdrawal. The second reason is that reducing the number of bleeding episodes per year results in a condition more similar to women's historic condition (frequent pregnancy) than faked menstruation. Original BC pills did not have the week of sugar pills that is found in most current formulations. However, women got *nervous* about not having a period, and the week of hormone withdrawal was added to make things seem more normal, and to give an indicator of pregnancy/no pregnancy. It's unnecessary, and probably contributes to higher rates of uterine cancer than we'd have if we took formulations like Seasonale. At least that's what my docs always said.

So to me, the benefits outweigh the disadvantages. I could get a sterilization and endometrial ablation instead, but that seems so much scarier to me!

« Last Edit: July 17, 2009, 04:29:34 AM by marika »

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Re: Less iron needed for oral contraptive users
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2009, 04:33:12 AM »
Hey Marika, sorry i didn't mean any disrespect, I just meant to offer an alternative. True EFT is about tapping, but is based on principles that are believed to be around 4000 years old (TCM), nowt much new-agey-ness about that :) For instance, EFT works on balancing your body's natural electromagnetic energies, which most people can only see through the use of special equipment. See the following Aura imaging experiments done back in the early 90s as an example.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyf9fpPeEr0

Though, if medication works for you, and has improved the quality of your life, then good for you, I respect your viewpoint.
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Re: Less iron needed for oral contraptive users
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2009, 04:51:34 AM »
Hi Marika,

I read what you post.  I'm just the bearer of purist natural uber health news.

I bet I get more smites as I keep posting on this topic.  But since you signified interest... here goes.

All truths need some forum "marketing" because pharma drugs receive hundreds of millions of dollars of marketing funding.  Notice I do not get any monetary reward for pointing out natural drug free / product free choices.  How about some applause?

I see pharma drugs as mainstays in emergency life or death cases only in the E.R.

Maybe your new paleo diet is the one giving you better results than your pharma drug.

I read what you post.  All studies supporting ANY DRUG for long term use is rubbish.  All parameters in the study are cherry picked by the drug company. 

Looking at people as holistic beings, you do not suffer from a deficiency of drugs.

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the benefits of not having periods any longer (I take only the "active" pills, not the placebo weeks, so no more periods at all)

This has got to be the most insane marketing advice of any drug manufacturer.  Female periods are there for BIG REASONS which include detoxifying your body.  I will no longer delve into the nitty gritty details of WHY you need periods when you are not pregnant.  I will let this guy rant his heart out if you are willing to listen to him for 1 minute:

http://www.myhealthblog.org/2009/05/28/bob-rants-against-the-fda-approved-period-suppressing-pill/

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Re: Less iron needed for oral contraptive users
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2009, 05:20:18 AM »
The pill is quite helpful if you are using it for what it is intended - avoiding getting pregnant.
As it just simulates being pregnant, I don't see what real harm it can do?

EFT sounds like quackery and is undoubtedly the placebo effect.  I can't see how it could do anything more.
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Re: Less iron needed for oral contraptive users
« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2009, 05:26:24 AM »
Thanks Tarlach, and thank you Shell-piece!

Goodsamaritan said:
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All studies supporting ANY DRUG for long term use is rubbish.  All parameters in the study are cherry picked by the drug company.

You could say the same thing about natural techniques and supplements as well, though!

Goodsamaritan, i guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this issue, and let it stand there! I think many people's lives have been hugely improved with modern medicine and pharmaceuticals. I'll watch your link though, thank you!

ETA: Goodsamaritan, I've got to say, the video was not convincing in any way, sorry. No data, no experiential anecdotes, nothing, just hollow screaming with no reason behind it. Sorry, didn't convince me! Let's just agree to disagree here. I didn't post this thread because I felt the need to defend my oral contraceptive use, I wanted to share some vital data with others who may use them.
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Re: Less iron needed for oral contraptive users
« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2009, 05:44:33 AM »
Agreeing to disagreeing is fine.

Parting shot on the period suppressing pill.  This has been around the net for quite some time:

Important info for women to read!

MENSTRUAL CYCLE-PLEASE READ!

PASS THIS ON EVEN IF YOU DO NOT USE IT

Recently this past week, Nicole Dishuk (age 31...newly graduated student with a doctoral degree about to start her new career as a Doctor...) was flown into a nearby hospital, because she passed out.

They found a blood clot in her neck, and immediately took her by helicopter to the ER to operate. by the time they removed the right half of her skull to relieve the pressure on her brain, the clot had spread to her brain causing severe damage.
Since last Wednesday night, she was battling.. they induced her into a coma to stop the blood flow, They operated 3 times.. Finally, they said there was nothing left that they could do.. they found multiple clots in the left side of her brain.. the swelling wouldn't stop, and she was on life support..

She died at 4:30 yesterday. She leaves behind a husband, and a 2 yr old Brandon and a 4 yr old Justin.. The CAUSE of DEATH - they found was a birth control she was taking that allows you to only have your period 3 times a year... They said it interrupts life's menstrual cycle, and although it is FDA approved... shouldn't be - So to the women in my address book - I ask you to boycott this product & deal with your period once a month - so you can live the rest of the months that your life has in store for you.

*Please send this to every woman you know - you may save someone's life... Remember, you have a CYCLE for a reason!

FYI.
The name of this new birth control pill is Lybrel. If you go to
http://www.Lybrel.com
you will find at least 26 pages of information regarding this drug.

The second birth control pill is, Seasonique. If you go to the website of,
http://www.Seasonique.com
you will find 43 pages of information regarding this drug.

The warnings and side effects regarding both pills are horrible. Please, please forward this information to as many daughters AND sons, co-workers, friends and relatives. Several lives have already been changed.

PASS THIS ON, if you wish, EVEN IF YOU DO NOT USE IT

article source~~

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/health/harmful_products/news.php?q=1205189231

blessings,
Zoe

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Re: Less iron needed for oral contraptive users
« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2009, 06:23:56 AM »
Thanks Goodsamaritan, that is a sad story. I'd add that blood clots are a risk for all birth control pills (not just the extended term ones), especially for smokers.

ETA: Apparently she was not taking one of the extended-use products, but a regular-use one, Yasmin:
http://www.snopes.com/medical/drugs/dishuk.asp
« Last Edit: July 17, 2009, 06:40:36 AM by marika »

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Re: Less iron needed for oral contraptive users
« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2009, 03:30:51 AM »
EFT sounds like quackery and is undoubtedly the placebo effect.  I can't see how it could do anything more.

Ok, let me try to explain.. as you read this very sentence you have a many low resistance electrical pathways (or meridians) running throughout your body, transporting electromagnetic energy to your internal organs and various other parts of your body.. without the energy transported by these pathways you'd be dead, simple as. Whether you choose to believe this or not doesn't take away from the fact that they're there, supporting you, keeping things ticking over. This is not hypothesis, but scientific fact demonstrated over the years by many experiments. Its just another part of the puzzle, of our true nature...

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Although reports of acupuncture have been recorded in the west since the 1800's, it wasn't until the 1970's that this method of therapy became well publicized. A reporter for the "New York Times" became ill with appendicitis while traveling in China and had an appendectomy without anesthesia, but with the use of acupuncture. This was widely reported in the western press. Doctors tried to explain the technique by saying it was the "placebo affect". This is the phenomenon in which 30% of people will be shown to be able to self heal in experiments when given a sugar pill instead of the "real medicine". However, this was shown to be a false belief because animals (who couldn't possibly respond to suggestion) also responded to the analgesic properties of acupuncture.

In the 1960s, western scientists developed a special tissue-staining technique that allowed him to identify these meridians in rabbits. Western scientist ignored this research until the 1980s when two French researchers, Drs. Claude Darras and Pierre De Vernejoul repeated Dr. Hans experiment using radioactive tracers on human beings.

They injected and then twirled radioactive technetium into the acupoints of patients and used nuclear scanning equipment to follow the flow of technetium. They also injected non-acupoints. At non-acupoints, the radioactive tracer diffused outward from the injection site into circular patterns. When the true acupoints were injected, the radioactive technetium followed the exact pathways as the acupuncture meridians in the ancient charts of the human body! They also found that when acupuncture needles were inserted into distant acupoints along the same tracer-labeled meridians and the twirled, a change was produced in the rate of flow of the technetium through the meridians. This research supported the ancient Chinese claim that the acupuncture needle stimulation affected the flow of ch'i through the body's meridians.

"A Study on the Migration of Radioactive Tracers after Injection at Acupoints", American Journal of Acupuncture, Vol. 20, No. 3, 1992 by Jean-Claude Darras, Pierre de Vernejoul, and Pierre Albarhde.

So, for instance when you feel pain, what you are actually feeling is a disruption or imbalance in the electromagnetic energy in your body. This is what you feel physically, whether it be anger, guilt, a burn, or a needle prick, this is the mechanism by which you feel. What EFT aims to do then is stimulate acupressure points along unbalanced or blocked meridians, to stimulate better energy flow, thereby reducing pain or negative feelings, in turn leading to better health and vitality.

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Re: Less iron needed for oral contraptive users
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