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Plant Enzymes!!
« on: January 14, 2008, 10:02:03 AM »
I bought these enzyme caplets from Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Rainbow-Light-Advanced-Enzyme-Plant-Source/dp/B000EEDZ7W/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1200333386&sr=8-2

Enzymes make life possible, they are responsible for an abundance of bodily processes from repairing tissue to regulating chemistry and most notably, digestion. When you eat food, enzymes (along with stomach acid) are what makes digestion possible. In fact, before food enters the lower part of the stomach (where the acid is) it spends time in the upper part being digested by the foods OWN enzymes. When we eat cooked food (which is devoid of enzymes), our body has to use some of its own enzyme reserves to digest it.

This means that we have fewer enzymes left over for maintaining bodily tissue and optimum health. Regular fasting has the effect and using no enzymes for digestion and more enzymes for repairing old tissue. The guy points out numerous instances of enzyme deficiency in our society and even claims that its responsible for the accelerated maturation rates we are seeing in our youth today. The guy conducted an experiment to test the effect of enzyme deficiency and lifespan in rats by feeding one group a cooked diet and one group a raw diet. He found that the rats lived the same rate but the cooked diet rats recycled their own enzymes by eating their own waste.

Now, I'm not saying that we should stop eating cooked food. I love cooked food (and meat which pretty much has to be cooked). But I think we could benefit from taking a plant enzyme supplement. Instead of taking the capsule I open it and sprinkle the enzyme on my food or I open it in my mouth and swallow right before eating.

This is information from an interview with Dr. Edward Howell, food enzyme researcher.
http://www.living-foods.com/articles/enzymes.html
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Re: Plant Enzymes!!
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2008, 07:01:21 PM »
Hi PaleoRedHead

I've ummed and ahhed for a while over sending you a message; reading your post on plant enzymes made me want to reply immediately but I couldn't think how to go about it delicately. Hence the personal message. I know how this is going to seem, coming from someone you don't know from Adam, but please please don't clam up. I really, honestly, think you've been taken in and possibly taken advanage of by something not worthy of such attention. For what it's worth, here is my opinion. Take it or leave it of course, and either way I wish you the best. Feel free to quote me, or I will post a response to your topic if you want, I leave it up to you.

My own credentials are an honours degree in molecular biology and a decade of work in the pharmaceutical industry. I'm not an enzyme specialist by any means, but in a way that makes me more concerned.

First I want to assert that Dr. Howell is claiming to be scientific and therefore it is justified for me to critique his claims on a scientific basis. I cannot address what he or you choose to believe on a mystical or spiritual plane.

The main problem with Dr. Howell's arguments is the statement that enzymes are special among biological building blocks, imbued with a kind of 'life force' distinct from their chemical, physical and biological properties. There is no scientific evidence in that enzymes are anything more than catalytic proteins. The mechanism by which enzymes function in general has been described very comprehensively by science; while only a few enzymes can be regarded as fully understood, there has never been a need to invoke an energy that is new to science.

Equally, there is no sense in which the body has a limited 'enzyme potential'. Enzymes, like any proteins, are synthesized by the body as needed from amino acid building blocks. Some amino acids cannot be synthesized by the body and must be ingested. Of course there are many factors that can lead to malfunction of enzyme synthesis, such as disease and toxins; but again there is no evidence that a 'potential', new to science, is responsible for maintaining the process.

This leaves the question over whether ingesting plant enzymes has any nutritional benefit. If you bite an apple and leave it, it will brown; this is in a sense the apple digesting itself, as enzymes are released from their normal operation in the general molecular maelstrom incurred by your teeth. So yes, an apple that has been chewed and swallowed will release some of its nutrition without any further help from digestive enzymes. However: first, browning is significantly accelerated by heat. Cooking an apple helps the process, because the denaturing effect on the apple's own digestive enzymes is outweighed by the further breakdown of cellular structures (incidentally releasing more nutrients). Second, the concentration of digestive enzymes in a human digestive tract vastly outweighs the few digestive enzymes naturally available in the apple.

The significant point here is that it is the purpose of digestion to break down cellular structures and large molecules into smaller units that can be absorbed and used by the body's metabolism. There are very few cases described by science where a complete protein can be used directly by the body; in fact such an occurrence is often pathological, as in the case of lectins.

I very strongly believe that the undoubted benefit of eating raw food is entirely explicable by the generation by oxidation of 'unnatural' and possibly toxic chemicals (especially if the food is burnt), and the effect of heat on some very significant (relatively) small molecules that cannot be synthesized by the body - for example vitamins. And since these molecules are (probably) not found in your enzyme supplement in the required doses, I think you would be much much better off simply ( ::) ) eating more fresh seasonal produce.

Sorry for the very short consideration of this big topic (and without references, I do have a real job ;) ). More can be found here: http://www.beyondveg.com/tu-j-l/raw-cooked/raw-cooked-2b.shtml.

Regards

G

Thanks G for doing this!!
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Re: Plant Enzymes!!
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2008, 08:03:04 AM »
aah yes beyondvegeterianism - what a great site - if a little verbose.

i'd say an important thing for people to realise is that humans have most probably evolved to consume cooked food - not everything cooked but meat and tubers - vegetables and some roots etc.

a lot of evidence supports this - our smaller teeth from having to spend less time each day masticating - yet our caloric needs are much higher etc.

when it comes to enzymes i dont think theres any need to add more comments because largely the jury is still out on alot of their supposed roles in 'human' digestion.

i'd never recommend supplementing enzymes - ever. trust your body that it is perfectly capable of doing the job itself - theres alot of reasoning to suggest that taking enzymes which do your stomach's work for it are in the long run detremental - abit like taking steroids to do the bodies job of creating testosterone.

anybody who can water fast fairly regularly 24-48 hour periods every few months shouldnt ever need worry about digestion.

lastly i'll just summarise my thinking on raw/cooked foods which is.

i cook meat - i try and cook it by boiling it in water if possible - so the protein is denatured but won't create carcinogenic compounds.

i cook root vegetables - tubers like potatoes etc.

but peppers - tomatoes, zucchini - any vegetable that blends well or is easily eaten raw like cabbage and onion - i have it raw sometimes with the edge taken off it by lemon/lime or vinegar

fish i eat raw when possible - sometimes cured and smoked.

i eat raw egg yolks only (not even the membrane the yolk comes in) if you look at nutrition data you'll see that the egg yolk still has 3grams of protein - the egg white with no nutritional benefit (infact it contains avidin = biotin deficiency) has 4g so i simply eat more egg yolks to compensate.

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Re: Plant Enzymes!!
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2008, 08:03:04 AM »