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Offline suze

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Vit D
« on: June 08, 2007, 07:01:22 PM »
Did anyone hear the latest research results on Vitamin D consumption today?  Here is an article:

http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/7-1-0&fp=466abce2cb0f419f&ei=OQlqRuzHOIa6rgOb1sCVCA&url=http%3A//www.abcnews.go.com/Health/CancerPreventionAndTreatment/story%3Fid%3D3256349%26page%3D1&cid=1116995928

Just wondering if I should be upping my intake?  I do spend some time in the sun every day (well when it shines, that is) and I eat salmon and other edible bone fish.  Does anyone know how much vitamin D fifteen minutes in the sun buys you?  Anyone else considering supplementation?  Suze
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Re: Vit D
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2007, 08:07:47 PM »
I've considered a supplement, but I don't do very well with supplements in general.  Whether or not you synthesize D has to do with so many different variables - your latitude, the time of year, the cloud cover, and your skin tone just to name a few.  It's very frustrating.  :/  I have this feeling I should be trying to up my D somehow as well, but I just don't know the best way to do it.

If you do want to use a supplement, I've heard that the oil-based ones are much much more effective than a dry pill.  Also, you want D3, not D2, which is synthetic and pretty much useless.
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Re: Vit D
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2007, 08:11:52 AM »
I've been wondering about vitamin D, too- after all, most of us don't get nearly as much sun as the hunter-gatherers would have.  They were outdoors all the time, obviously (hmmm, although the name of this forum reminds me that perhaps some of our paleolithic ancestors lived in caves.  But they would have been the exception, not the rule, and they would still have had to go outdoors to forage, presumably). 

The article cites a study in which vitamin D is correlated with the incidence of colo-rectal cancer in a group of post-menopausal women.  That's a pretty narrow scope!  What about a vitamin D study of the general population of a diverse society such as the U.S., taking all types of cancer into account?  I get the feeling that since vitamin D is produced in the skin, it may have more to do with the incidence of skin cancer than other types of cancer.  Call me supersititous..

We've all heard the warnings about getting too much sun, with a higher incidence of skin cancer the dire consequences..  I'll wager that there is a higher incidence of skin cancer in a lot of Western societies, due to people living and working indoors and typically not getting much sun most of the year, then going out to the beach in the summer, and getting sunburnt.   I imagine that our paleolithic forebears got sunburnt rarely, and didn't have much skin cancer- they had daily sun exposure from when they were babies, and got more and more tan as they matured.

And yes, there is the question of skin tone vs. vitamin D production in sunlight.  Can anybody cite some stats?

I try to eat some salmon every week (I love salmon, so it's no problem for me!), and I jog a couple of times a week, most of the time in the sun (Southern California).  So hopefully, between my paleo diet and my weak emulation of the paleolithic outdoor environment, I'm getting enough D.
« Last Edit: June 11, 2007, 08:41:52 AM by 21st-century caveman »

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Re: Vit D
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2007, 10:04:13 AM »
Here is the US gov't factsheet on Vitamin D:
http://dietary-supplements.info.nih.gov/factsheets/vitamind.asp

It talks about what factors can impede vitamin D absorption (it includes the list I already made, as well as sunscreen use, smog, and shade) and it also talks about the melanin content in skin.  If you want to google a bit, there's also a lot written about how black populations at higher latitudes have a much higher incidence of rickets than white populations do because the sunlight isn't strong enough to penetrate their higher levels of melanin.
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Re: Vit D
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2009, 12:04:03 PM »
I just found this vitamin D calculator on Dr. Eades website, you type in your latitude and longitude and some other details, and it will tell you how much sun exposure you need to get the recommended vitamin D:

http://nadir.nilu.no/~olaeng/fastrt/VitD-ez_quartMED.html

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Re: Vit D
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2009, 12:51:06 PM »
I just found this vitamin D calculator on Dr. Eades website, you type in your latitude and longitude and some other details, and it will tell you how much sun exposure you need to get the recommended vitamin D:

http://nadir.nilu.no/~olaeng/fastrt/VitD-ez_quartMED.html

17 minutes here in So Cal

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Re: Vit D
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2009, 12:51:15 AM »
When I get the chance I am going to be getting 5000 IU capsules, just in case for winter use.  Then pop 1 or 2 a day.  Supposedly good for weight loss.  No rush as I have been getting a lot of sun.  From what I understand you can take 30,000 IU once a month or 1,000 IU a day for identical results.

http://www.uctv.tv/search-details.aspx?showID=15751
http://www.grassrootshealth.net/
Recommends 2000 IU
http://www.grassrootshealth.net/press-111308
Looking at the below small study, you could easily get this variation from chance.
http://www.grassrootshealth.net/press-20070607

To researcher bookworms out there, please don't give one group a placebo and another vit d.  Give the entire volunteer group vit D and compare it to the population.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2009, 01:20:48 AM by paleo bushman »

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Re: Vit D
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2009, 01:21:46 AM »
Currently im taking 5 drops of this daily which amounts to 5000IU. I've been doing so now for about 2 months so I must get my levels done soon..

Post here recommends 6000IU for men though..

http://freetheanimal.com/2009/01/vitamin-d-anecdotes.html

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Re: Vit D
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2009, 02:21:32 PM »
17 minutes here in So Cal
6 minutes in Boston?  There must be other parameters we're setting differently.

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Re: Vit D
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2009, 03:26:21 PM »
17 minutes here in So Cal
6 minutes in Boston?  There must be other parameters we're setting differently.
6 min. here at my home as well? At 6214 ft. above sea level?

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Re: Vit D
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2009, 04:53:30 PM »
I put in my latitude, longitude, altitude, dry concrete, midday, medium Caucasian, broken clouds: got 12 minutes.

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Re: Vit D
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2009, 10:15:08 AM »
6 min. here at my home as well? At 6214 ft. above sea level?
You'd actually get more UV at high altitudes, so you wouldn't need as much time.

I didn't see any entries for how much of the body is covered.

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Re: Vit D
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2009, 01:35:33 PM »
I had some awesome sunshine time today. My DH noticed something funny. I have a solar lantern and solar radio that I put out in the sun every day to recharge. He said, "You're just like your solar lantern, coming out here to recharge!" :-) 

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Re: Vit D
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2009, 04:32:31 PM »
6 min. here at my home as well? At 6214 ft. above sea level?
You'd actually get more UV at high altitudes, so you wouldn't need as much time.

I didn't see any entries for how much of the body is covered.
cloud cover is a factor if it was sunny here and overcast or broken clouds in southern california that day that would make a difference. i'm thinking in the winter months either i start eating a lot of fish or i supplement with vitamin d to compensate for the lack of sun (plenty of fish may do the trick).

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Re: Vit D
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2009, 05:04:32 PM »
If you get plenty of sun throughout the summer, your body can store it to get you through the winter. Maybe just adding some coldwater fish like sardines and herring and mackerel, and eat pastured eggs, should be all you'll need.

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Re: Vit D
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2009, 05:04:32 PM »