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marika

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What is considered a "high-protein" diet?
« on: July 28, 2009, 02:54:11 PM »
I've been reading lately multiple studies showing how "high-protein" diets can be harmful, causing calcium to be excreted and leading to osteoporosis, bone loss and fractures. So my question is: what exactly is a "high-protein" diet?

Do they mean a diet that is over the current RDA for protein? (Currently 50g roughly).


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Re: What is considered a "high-protein" diet?
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2009, 06:04:22 PM »
Are those multiple studies from the same people who say fat is bad for you and are apologists for vegetarian diets?

There are other studies that show protein is essential to bone health.

Mercola.com  The Protein and Calcium Paradox in Osteoporosis, By Dr. Robert Heaney


High Protein Not Necessarily Bad for Your Bones

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During a 3-year study of nearly 350 elderly men and women who were taking calcium citrate and malate and vitamin D supplements, investigators found that bone mineral density increased most in people whose diets contained the most protein. Whether protein came from mainly animal or plant sources did not affect the increase in bone density.



American Journal of Clinical Nutrition : Am J Clin Nutr. 2002 Apr;75(4):773-9.

Calcium intake influences the association of protein intake with rates of bone loss in elderly men and women.


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CONCLUSION: Increasing protein intake may have a favorable effect on change in BMD (Bone Mineral Density) in elderly subjects supplemented with calcium citrate malate and vitamin D.

American Journal of Clinical Nutrition:  Am J Clin Nutr. 2003 Jun;77(6):1517-25.
Protein intake: effects on bone mineral density and the rate of bone loss in elderly women.

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CONCLUSIONS: The highest quartile of protein intake (: 72 g/d) was associated with higher BMD in elderly women at baseline only when the calcium intake exceeded 408mg/d.In the longitudinal study, no association was seen between protein intake and the rate of bone loss, perhaps because the sample size was too small or the follow-up period of 3 y was not long enough to detect changes.

Also note that this study shows calcium intake of only 408mg.
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marika

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Re: What is considered a "high-protein" diet?
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2009, 04:14:38 AM »
Wow!!! Great studies, PaleoDude!! That's what I wanted to hear!!

I've been averaging at least 100g per day of protein lately, so I thought, is that BAD??? Is that considered "high-protein?"

That's very cool. Thanks PaleoDude!


Lakeside

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Re: What is considered a "high-protein" diet?
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2009, 07:11:57 AM »
I think 50g a day would be a low protein diet. Your protein requirements vary by age and activity level. We think of body builders being on high protein diets but marathon runners, mountain bikers, mountain climbers, etc. need more protein too.

A sedentary elderly person maybe fine of 50g a day.  One thing to keep in mind is that a lot of poor people tend to be overweight because carbs are cheap and protein is expensive (you can sometimes get a 10 pound bag of potatoes on sale for $1.99, protein is never that cheap)

100 grams a day would be moderate.  High protien is probably over 150 grams a day.

marika

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Re: What is considered a "high-protein" diet?
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2009, 08:07:50 AM »
Aha, thanks!!

Wlfdg

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Re: What is considered a "high-protein" diet?
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2009, 09:19:08 AM »
I'm eating between 200-225 grams a day and I consider that moderate. High protein, IMO, is relative to the individual.  I'm thinking I need to boost that to 300 grams a day.

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Re: What is considered a "high-protein" diet?
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2009, 09:37:32 AM »
As long as we keep our daily caloric intake from protein less than 40% of total calories (over the long term), we are fine.  Protein toxicity starts showing up at over 40%.  The North American frontiersmen found this out the hard way when they were forced, in the harsh Winters, to dine on the fat-depleted small animals in the wilderness.  It's called "rabbit starvation".   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_starvation

That's why it is postulated (and makes abundant sense, when you think about it)  that paleolithic people, especially the ones in colder, drier climates, went to the considerable trouble and danger of hunting big game- in the absence of adequate carbohydrates from vegetables and fruit, they could not survive any other way.  The fat percentage of large game carcasses is much higher than that of small animals, and the fat is enough to keep the calories from protein under 40%.  The same with the traditional Inuit- they have very little in the way of fruits and veggies on the tundra.  But the protein they consume comes with plenty of fats, so they have no problem.


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Re: What is considered a "high-protein" diet?
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2009, 09:37:32 AM »