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Doug's Caveman Workouts - Ogg! Ugg!
« on: June 22, 2007, 12:38:15 PM »
This past Wednesday, I had my first gym workout in about six months.  I go to a small (free!) gym at one of the workplaces in the organization I work for.  It has a variety of resistance machines, free weights, bench press station & Smith machine, etc..  pretty well-equipped, for a small gym.  I did very well, considering..  I can tell I worked some muscles- I definitely have DOMS (Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness).  My DOMS usually peaks at around 48 hours after I train.

I have log sheets which I usually take to the gym, with my exercises listed, so that I can keep track of my progress.  But since this was a warm-up workout, to get back into it, I didn't use a log.  I'll attach a sample log sheet for one upper-body routine that I've used.  I try to mix it up and throw in different exercises at each workout, for variety, and because the body responds better, and progresses better, if you surprise it with new movements, or new ways of doing the same exercises.

If I remember correctly, my workout lasted about 45 minutes, and I did the following:

(lbs x reps listed for each set)

EZ-bar bicep curls - 20x15, 40x5, 30x5

Rear Delt Machine - 5x12, 5x8  (on this machine, 5 is not weight in lbs, but the number of plates I used)

Lat Pulldown Machine - 5x14, 6x7  (same as above, number of plates, not lbs)

Mid-Row Machine - 7x12, 6x10 (same as above)

Smith Machine 20-degree incline presses - 90x10, 90x7  (lbs in this case)  Note: because of an intermittent shoulder problem, I haven't been able to use the weights in pressing movements that I'd like to..  gotta visit the physical therapist and see if they can help that.

Cable Tricep Press - 6x12, 5x10  (plates, not lbs)

Pec Machine (which is the same machine as the Rear Delt, but with different settings, and seated the other way) - 6x12, 6x8  (plates)

Dumbell Pullovers - 40x5, 30x5  (I like this one a lot- it stresses the entire front of your upper body- lats, abs, pecs.  It was one of Arnold's favorite movements)

I generally rest 60-90 seconds between sets.  Sometimes I superset exercises together, but since I'm just breaking back into it, I took it easy for this workout!   ;)  I've noticed that as I get more used to an exercise, I have to work harder to get the same level of DOMS.  DOMS (muscles are stiff and sore for a few days) is not a very pleasant symptom, but I welcome it, because it's an indicator of how effectively I've hit a muscle group.

More notes later..
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Re: Doug's Caveman Workouts - Ogg! Ugg!
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2007, 12:22:28 PM »
Monday pre-workout notes:

As typical of first starting workouts after a long layoff, I had DOMS for quite a while- it's now Monday, and after still being slightly stiff yesterday (four days after my workout!), the DOMS has finally subsided; I am planning on another upper-body workout after work today.   My plan is to add a few shoulder exercises (cautiously, with my shoulder problem) like dumbell military presses and possibly dumbell lateral raises.  Gotta hit those side delts.  And rear delts, too, for that matter..

I might even try some dips, but I'm going to have to be really careful on those.

I don't know how everyone else's bodies respond to weight training, but even after I'm into the swing of things, my DOMS lasts a few days, so that I'm not really comfortable doing workouts for the same muscle groups two days apart, i.e. Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.  So I'll try Monday, and Thursday, and jogging on Tuesdays and Saturdays. 

At some point, I'd like to curtail my jogging for a while and do lower-body weight training instead.  I had a standard routine for a lower-body workout, with exercises like barbell squats, leg curls, calf raises on a machine, and the 45-degree leg press machine.  When going for muscle hypertrophy, as bodybuilders do, it's not a good idea to let one area of the body get much more developed than another, like the way you see some guys with large arms & chest, but skinny legs.  It just doesn't look right!  So I'll probably work in my lower-body weight training after a few upper-body workouts. 

Btw my goal is to have bodyfat in the single digits, percentage-wise (to be able to clearly see my abs), and a medium muscle development similar to some of the 'fitness models' seen in mags such as Natural Bodybuilding & Fitness.  I have no desire to look like the mass-monster pro bodybuilders; the 300-lb chemistry experiments on god-knows-what steroids..  I might take a creatine compound and after-workout dextrose/protein drink, and maybe a nitric oxide enhancer, but that's about it.  All OTC stuff; no hormone manipulators or anabolic steroids.  That stuff is not healthful, and not conducive to good fitness, imho.

[Edit - since I mentioned my lower-body routine, I thought I'd attach it, in case anybody wants it.  One question- I see that most of the lower-body exercises hit the quadriceps, and only one works the hamstrings.. but I can't think of an exercise other than the leg curls to hit the hams- any ideas?   ??? ]
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« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2007, 03:58:05 PM »
Lunges holding weights will work the hamstrings and glutes on the upward motion I think.  Suze
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Re: Doug's Caveman Workouts - Ogg! Ugg!
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2007, 07:13:39 PM »
Squats are just about the best exercise you can do, and they will definitely hit your hams (and much more)

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Re: Doug's Caveman Workouts - Ogg! Ugg!
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2007, 07:46:04 AM »
Good points- yes, I had forgotten that lunges and squats stress the hamstrings as well as the glutes.  thanks, folks! :)

I think that stiff-leg deadlifts also hit the hamstrings, in addition to the lower back.. 
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Re: Doug's Caveman Workouts - Ogg! Ugg!
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2007, 08:25:36 AM »
I had a pretty good workout last evening- although I managed to wake up my r. shoulder problem, so it is slightly painful in certain movements this morning.  I think I will have to cut dips entirely from my workout until I go to physical therapy to see about the shoulder.  It seems that any exercise which causes the elbow to go back past the centerline of my body is apt to cause the shoulder flare-up.  Like dips & bench presses.  I suspect some kind of bone spur in the shoulder joint, but I'll see if I can get it x-rayed to see if it's that, or something else.  The left shoulder is not as succeptible to this as the right, but it still occurs sometimes.

I'm trying a supplement for the first time, called NO-Xplode, BSN's combination creatine and nitric oxide enhancer product.  It did seem to give me more 'oomph' in the workout, although it's hard to tell whether it was the supplement, or that I happened to have a higher energy level.  Also, when starting a new workout, you'll generally see greater increments of improvement in each exercise, than you'll see when you've been doing the exercises for a few months. 

Last year, during the period I was weight training, I was getting some very good muscle pumps in my workouts, but it didn't happen until I had been working out for a couple of months.  I got a fair muscle pump in my workout yesterday, but I've had better.  I'll continue on with NO-Xplode and see how I do on it.

My workout ran for about an hour, not counting warm-up.  I usually do about 5 minutes of fast walking on the treadmill just to get things moving and the blood flowing. 

Exercises I did:  (I used a workout log sheet, so I'm copying from that)

EZ Bar curls:  20x15, 40x8, 30x7, 20x8
Rear Delt Machine Flys:  6x15, 7x8, and a drop set of 6x6,5x5,4x5
DB curls:  25x12, 25x7, drop set of 20x7,15x7
Mid Row Machine:  7x10, 6x9, 5x10
Dips (unweighted):  7  (after the dips, my r. shoulder started bothering me on subsequent exercises)
Seated DB Military Press:  25x10, 20x6
20-degree incline Smith Machine press:  50x10, 90x5, 70x7, 50x12
DB Side Raises:  10x5
Lat Pulldowns:  6x6, 5x7, 4x11
Pec Flys (on machine):  one drop set of 6x5,5x4,4x4  - some r. shoulder pain on this exercise
Cable Triceps Pushdowns:  6x5, 5x7, drop set of 4x10,4x3,4x3
Pushups:  3  (haha.  My triceps and pecs were pretty well fried from previous exercises!)

Overall, not a bad workout, with the exception of the intermittent shoulder pain.  I'll just cut out dips and see how I do next time.

Btw I'm 5' 8", and I weighed myself before my workout- 168.5 lbs.  Slightly flabby- can't see my abs under the fat layer.  But I think that after a couple more months of paleo eating and these workouts, I'll see some improvement!
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« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2007, 03:06:06 PM »
Regarding DOMS - Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness.  I've seen a couple of interesting articles online about this phenomenon, although, in addition to providing some information about DOMS, they raise some questions.. for example, there doesn't seem to be a reliable way to shorten the length of time that DOMS affects you after exercise.  About the only thing that will lessen DOMS is to do warmups before eccentric exercise, and to perform repeat bouts of the same exercise several times over several weeks, and as the body adapts to the exercise, the DOMS will be less severe, and will go away faster. 

One article is here: http://www.drlenkravitz.com/Articles/doms.html

And another one here:  http://www.sportsinjurybulletin.com/archive/1077-muscle-soreness.htm

DOMS seems to be especially prevalent after eccentric exercise, i.e. allowing the muscle to lengthen against resistance, as opposed to concentric exercise- shortening a muscle to overcome resistance.  As in the practice of doing "negatives" - lifting the weight with help, then lowering it slowly against the resistance.

My main question about this has to do with the relationship between muscle hypertrophy and DOMS.  Does one have to wait until DOMS is completely gone before doing another workout for the same muscle group, to get maximum gains in muscle size and strength?  Or is it possible to exercise the muscle group before the DOMS is gone, and still get the muscle hypertrophy you're seeking?  If the second scenario is true, then perhaps I *could* do a workout every 48 hours, and will experience greater muscle hypertrophy over time.. 

Intuitively, though, I would think that waiting until DOMS is gone (or almost gone) would be a better strategy, because DOMS is probably the result of muscle tissue damage.  Waiting until the body has repaired the muscle tissue all the way would make sense, because the muscle has then been completely repaired, and is a little larger (hypertrophy) and stronger than it was previous to the exercise that damaged it.  Therefore, you could progress to a greater weight, once again incurring DOMS, and the muscle will repeat the cycle of repairing and getting stronger. 

The first article cited above states "...in a muscle that is experiencing DOMS, continued eccentric exercise is still possible without further muscle damage. When dealing with DOMS it is important to differentiate it from muscle strains, recognizing that continued exercise is still possible with DOMS, but not with muscle strain." -- This seems to indicate that it is okay to exercise a muscle that has DOMS, although it is not clear if the muscle will benefit from the exercise in its incompletely-repaired state. 

I think for the time being, I'm going to wait until DOMS has almost completely vanished from a muscle group before exercising it again.  For one thing, it doesn't sound like a pleasant prospect to do maximum-effort workouts while muscles are still experiencing DOMS from the previous workout.  Until somebody can convince me that working out while still experiencing DOMS will get me muscle gains faster, I'll wait until my DOMS is gone before doing the next workout for a particular muscle group.
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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2007, 11:09:59 AM »
Something that I noticed yesterday- I mentioned earlier that I had a flare-up of the shoulder pain during my last workout (Monday evening).  In past instances of this shoulder pain, it has sometimes lasted a couple of weeks.  But I noticed that yesterday (Tuesday) the pain had gone away, and has not returned!  I have DOMS from Monday's workout, of course, but the shoulder pain is gone entirely.  I have full ROM (Range of Motion) in both my shoulder joints.  I don't know if it's diet-related, but I thought I'd mention it, because it was unusual.

I still plan on leaving the dips out of my upper-body routine for now, because I'd rather not cause another shoulder pain episode.  I guess I should count my blessings; a lot of people my age are in all kinds of pain from arthritis and other problems- the fact that I have to curtail a few particular exercises and movements from my routine is no great hindrance.  I can still exercise all shoulder-attached muscle groups pretty effectively with other exercises.   I'll just have to be careful with those pressing movements.   :)
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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2007, 08:18:53 AM »
After work yesterday, I went for a nice wog (a term I coined for my practice of combining walking and jogging).  My energy level was high- felt great!  I went a little longer than usual- about an hour, even though it was quite warm out- in the 80s.  I don't generally carry a drink with me, unless it's in the 90s.  I felt fine for the whole route.

My wogging route consists of hills and some flat areas.  The route has a loop at the far end; I'm not sure what the distance around the loop is, but it takes me about 15 minutes to go around it.  So, if I want to extend my wog, I make an additional lap around the loop.  The loop is on a rather steep slope in a canyon, so it's a good workout.

Re: wogging- it is similar to 'fartleks', speed play.  I vary my speed on the route intuitively, and at uneven intervals.  I'll typically start out at a fast walk, then after a few minutes, break into a jog.  Then, whenever I feel like it, I'll step up the pace for an arbitrary distance, like up to the next traffic sign or street intersection.  My stepped-up pace can be a moderate jog, up to a sprint.  Then I'll bring it back down to a slow jog, or walk for 30 seconds or so, then jog again, etc.. 

I feel that this speed play, along with the up-and-down terrain of my route, gives me a good workout, and it's probably similar to a paleolithic hunt.  I also think that merely jogging at a steady pace on flat terrain, or running on a treadmill for x minutes at a steady pace, isn't as good a workout as what I do. 

I feel just as energetic today- if I weren't at work, I think I'd go hike up a mountain or something.   Btw, mountain hiking is great exercise, and probably less pounding on leg and hip joints than running.. depending on the slope, and your walking pace, it can be every bit as strenuous as fast jogging. 

When I was stationed in Japan in the Army, we used to go to the city of Kure, in Southern Japan, a couple times a year, and on my time off I'd hike up the trail on Mount Haigamine, which was right next to the town.  Altitude gain was about 3,500 feet, from the town, which is a port city (at sea level).  Here's a photo showing a view from the top of Haigamine..
http://www.jnto.go.jp/tourism/en/69.html

While in Japan, I also climbed Mt. Fuji, hiking from the town of Gotemba on the coastal plain, to the top of the famous peak, and stayed overnight in one of the little "hotel" shacks.. quite an experience!  Took me 11 hours of steady climbing to reach the top, an altitude gain of over 12,000 feet.  And it gets steeper and steeper as you approach the peak.  Whew!   ;D
http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2172.html
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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2007, 09:32:50 AM »
Went out for my standard wog yesterday evening.  This time, I waited until about 6:00 PM, so that it was a little cooler outside.  I went at it fairly hard, only taking about 40 minutes for the route (one loop).  I'll have to measure the route with my car sometime, to see what distance it is.  I've been using that same route, which parallels streets all the way, for a few years now, but have never gotten around to measuring it.  I don't think my overall pace is fast; probably somewhere around 8 or 9 minutes per mile.  I once ran a 10k race in about 37 minutes, but I was in peak condition back then, and my wogging is not anywhere near that pace.

I'm planning on doing an upper-body workout at the gym after work today, although I'm a bit tired this morning, because I was wound up and had a tough time sleeping last night.  Hopefully, I'll get more 'peppy' this afternoon, but if not, I'm not going to force myself to do a workout.  I'll just wait until Monday. 

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Re: Doug's Caveman Workouts - Ogg! Ugg!
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2007, 07:36:46 PM »
You don't need your car to check the distance.  http://gmap-pedometer.com

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« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2007, 10:17:12 AM »
Jeff- thanks for that link.  Great tool!  I just used it to measure my wogging route.  It's about 2.56 miles, round trip, from my home to the point where there's a loop in the route (and back).  The loop is almost exactly 1.5 miles.  So if I'm doing one lap around the loop, my total route distance is about 4.06 miles, and if I do two laps around the loop, my distance is 5.56 miles.  That's about what I thought it was, from the time I usually take, but it's good to know the numbers.

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« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2007, 10:31:29 AM »
Went for wogs on Saturday morning and Monday afternoon.  The 1-lap route, which is about 4 miles.  Felt good both times..  on Monday's wog, I also did some pushups, a set of 20 and after a break of 10 seconds, another set of 10.  I also did about 8 chinups on a tree branch at the same place along the route.

I probably won't do a gym workout until Thursday.  But I may go out for another wog tomorrow morning (July 4th) before I get all involved with setting up the charcoal grill for our cookout.

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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2007, 12:16:52 PM »
I wogged over the weekend, both days, doing my 5 1/2-mile route on Saturday, and my 4-miler on Sunday.  Kind of makes me feel better about having all o' that non-paleo food on the weekends.   I rationalize that I'm burning some of it off, I guess.   ;D

I think I'll rest up until tomorrow (Wednesday) and either do a gym workout or another wog after work. 

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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2007, 01:22:32 PM »
A few notes about this past week's activities:

Thursday July 12th I had an excellent workout at the gym.. my workout ran about an hour and 15 minutes, whereas I usually go for an hour or so before I "run out of gas".  Some days, I have higher energy than others; I guess this was a good day!  I worked my upper body with about 12 different exercises, and achieved good muscle pumps.  I can tell I've gotten a good pump when I shower afterwards, and can hardly lift my arms up enough to use the shampoo..   :D

Saturday was a very active day; I wogged in the morning, taking my 5.5-mile route (two laps around the loop).  Felt great.  I've been taking my T-shirt off during my wogs, to get the sunshine.  I am careful to not get so much sun that I burn.  I hope I'm not making passersby ill with my bare top, but hey, I don't look that bad- just a little flab spare tire, but that is shrinking as I progress with my paleo eating and exercising..  Besides, I'm doing this for me, not anybody who might happen to be looking at me. 

As I've mentioned before, I play bass guitar in a band, and loading the equipment in and out of the house, and in and out of the car at the gig site, is almost a workout in itself.  We had a gig in the evening on Saturday, so I got the workout of loading and setting up/tearing down my equipment, in addition to the wog in the morning.  My muscles were still quite sore with DOMS from Thursday's workout, but it didn't seem to hinder me much.  I love it when I get a strong case of DOMS- it's a sign that the workout was an effective one.

Then, on Sunday morning, I ate quite a bit of food, and it wasn't long before I was starting to get hungry again!   That's one thing I like about being physically active- you burn a lot of calories, and you can eat almost anything without gaining any fat.  Especially with paleo foods.  In fact, if you stick with paleo foods exclusively, and stay physically active, you are almost guaranteed to lose most of your excess fat and normalize your weight with time.  Since I relax my dietary regimen and eat mostly non-paleo foods on the weekends, the fat loss is not as rapid, but I'm still slowly slimming down.   ;)
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