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Offline Lord Snoolington

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Bah, I might as well start one of these.

Today is a weightlifting day. Day before yesterday I did sprints and more paleolithic exercise. Yesterday I did a lot of walking around and throwing with a sling I made. (How's that for paleo?  :P)

Before complaining about how ridiculous my weights are, reflect that I am a fifteen year old 120 pound computer nerd.

7/26 - 10:00 AM - Fasting

-Brief Warm-up with DB swings and snatches, vertical jumps

-Art de Vany style high intensity Deadlift routine:
(These weights are especially low because the largest plates that I am using with this are tens, which means that a normal deadlift is like a snatch-grip deadlift on a box with a normal barbell with 45's. The bar is at my ankles.)
50x12
65x8
85x4
pause:
7 singles with 85, with around 7 seconds rest between singles
pause:
6 singles with 90, with around 7 seconds rest between singles
immediately afterward:
hold 90 pound barbell with (double overhand grip) at lockout for 60 seconds (For the traps, grip)

tried a front box squat (my computer chair as box - below parallel)
50x7 - couldn't go on, too tired from deadlifts.

Military Press: - minimal rest between sets
50x8
55x1 + 1 push press
got off 9 perfect push ups immediately afterword.

DB bent-over row - minimal rest between sets
23x12 each hand
28x7 each hand
32x4.5 each hand

Done. That probably took a little less than 30 minutes.

In a few days I'll do a paleo workout, if I'm not still sore from this. :)
« Last Edit: July 25, 2007, 07:25:41 AM by Lord Snoolington »

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Re: The Glorious and Paleolithic Body Movings of Lord Snoolington
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2007, 01:46:33 PM »
Whaddaya mean, complaining?  I am impressed!   ;D ;D ;D Suze
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Re: The Glorious and Paleolithic Body Movings of Lord Snoolington
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2007, 11:38:27 PM »
Lord Snoolz, it pleases me so to observe a routine such as the one you have just described, which does not consist of endless sets of bench presses and bicep curls, please keep up the good work and continue to leave those ignoble exercises for the frat boys!

Cheers, Wilko

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Re: The Glorious and Paleolithic Body Movings of Lord Snoolington
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2007, 12:11:21 PM »
7/26 - evening
Walked around and practiced slinging for maybe 45 minutes. If there is a caveman who could reliably take down a bird or soemthing with a sling, I'd like to shake his hand. I actually had one incredibly miraculous shot where I looked at the spot, concentrated on it, and sent my rock exactly where I was aiming, or at least a couple of inches away, and I was probably like sixty feet away, and the spot was a knot waaay up high in the side of this camphor laurel. The rock blew away the bark there, so I knew where exactly it hit. If I had been aiming at a small bird, it's likely I would have killed it.

7/27 - 12:15 PM - non-fasting - protein meal couple hours prior.

Went out hunting with Og and the boys.

Warmed up my creaky caveman bones with some running, vertical jumps

We sighted our quarry. Made repeated attempts to sprint up and kill it. When I got tired and had to walk briskly behind, the others sprinted up. Then when they tired, I sprinted. Occasionally, it climbed into a tree, and I climbed up to shake/scare it out. (Different tree each time.)  Did this for around 20 mins. Then we had a few killed, but alas, camp was way far away, a continuous and fairly steep climb. (Our property is like this) I carried two of the creatures up the hill, stopping occasionally to drop them and get a new grip. (There is a nice pile of large rocks down the hill from my house) The second one I had to carry just using biceps, and supported by my chest and stomach. The second I managed to get a good chokehold around. I felt a bit like passing out as I was carrying the second up (Seriously hardcore stuff ;)), but I wouldn't want to do anything so humiliating in front of the guys, so I just paused and rested holding it. Then when both of them were in camp, I got to work butchering them (swung a sledge repeatedly into a large oak trunk slice lying around) Then I carried the meat around short distances (carrying rocks some more, short distances, which involved very fun irregular rock deadlifts)

40-45 minutes total. Yay. :)

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Re: The Glorious and Paleolithic Body Movings of Lord Snoolington
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2007, 06:46:58 AM »
7/28
Changed tires with my dad in the florida heat. Actually, I chagned 3 of 4, and he sat and watched. :)

7/30 - 9:15 AM - Fasting

Front box squat - box is pile of 4 Harry Potter books and one cooking book - well beyond parallel - minimal rest between sets
50x9
60x1 - ouch
55x2
50x3

Lunges
50x5 each leg
55x4 each leg
50x4 each leg

Power clean or somesuch
60x5
60x4

Hold 60 pounds on shoulders (front squat style) for 70 seconds

Elevated leg pushup
Legs on bed: 12 reps
Legs in drawer of desk: 5 reps
Normal pushups: 6 reps

Pull-ups (overhand) x 6
chin-ups (underhand) x 2
(Back is already tired from pushups, clean)

Lasted 30 minutes

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Re: The Glorious and Paleolithic Body Movings of Lord Snoolington
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2007, 10:46:06 PM »
Man, this guy is gonna be a stud, I'm not sure I want the competition.

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Re: The Glorious and Paleolithic Body Movings of Lord Snoolington
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2007, 05:47:58 AM »
Assuming that I can put any meat on my bones (without gaining a bunch of fat like bodybuilders). Right now I'm reeally skinny. It doesn't help that for the month prior to my beginning this diet, I was on a huge camping trip, and lost like ten pounds of muscle. There were a bunch of days on the trip where it was just inconvenient and felt unnecessary to eat more than like 2 strips of bacon and a granola bar all day.

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Re: The Glorious and Paleolithic Body Movings of Lord Snoolington
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2007, 11:17:07 AM »
It's a pretty sure thing that you can put some "meat on your bones", as you put it.  I'm sure you can research as well as any of us, as to the best way to do that.  I think you're basically on the right track- heavy resistance exercises, concentrating on multi-joint exercises like squats, deadlifts, pullups/chinups.  So you've got two pieces of the puzzle worked out- the paleo diet is just about the optimum base nutrition for putting on muscle.  Just work out and eat like a caveman- plenty of protein and healthful fats, and you'll beef up.  If you're really skinny, you might be one of those "hard gainers", but you have the advantage of not easily getting "blobby" like us mesomorphs.  You'll still be able to put on plenty of muscle, and with your low bodyfat, you'll have excellent muscle definition.

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Re: The Glorious and Paleolithic Body Movings of Lord Snoolington
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2007, 09:39:46 PM »
Unlike the rest of us you're still growing, which in itself requires a lot of energy, so if you want to put on muscle mass you'll need to eat a lot.

I checked out your food journal and I think you should add an extra meal or two if possible, or you could add shakes between meals. The point is to increase consumption whichever way fits you best. Also remember to get protein with every meal.

Keep lifting and eating, you'll get there.
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Re: The Glorious and Paleolithic Body Movings of Lord Snoolington
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2007, 08:52:57 AM »
But paleo-man got 6 feet something and lean and muscular by doing what he does. If I want to be like him, then I can mimic his lifestyle, right?

8/1 - 9:15 AM - fasting

Glutes, biceps, pecs all sore from last workout, so I decided not to do another weight session.

Approx. 1 mile of wind sprints. Mix of sprinting, walking, and occasional jogging. That's 20 laps around my house -- that means lots of extremely tight curves at high speed, and I felt the connective tissue in my ankles being stressed. That's how they grow, I guess. I imagine lots of sprinters and track athletes are missing that kind of strength and robustness for taking odd stresses, because they run in straight lines on regular surfaces. Every five laps or so I switched direction (clockwise vs. counter) so that I would stress both sides equally. Took around 13 minutes - a lot longer than it takes to jog it, interesting.

Afterwords, did a little bit more general sprinting. Then carried the rocks around on my chest/stomach for a while. Toward the end, did lots of deadlifts with the rocks, changing grip each time.

Took approx. 30 minutes.

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Re: The Glorious and Paleolithic Body Movings of Lord Snoolington
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2007, 11:57:36 AM »
Impressive 'instinctual' training- I don't know how much study or experience you have as a foundation, but the only mods i'd offer are based on 25+ years of training other folks.

First, careful about high speed work on unstable ground. While there is merit to your belief about the positive benefits, you can also create serious damage in what are inherently unstable joints-- with a lifelong price tag....

Second, if 'meat on your bones' ["form over function"] is your primary goal you need to keep the training pace brisk enough to create some semblance of a pump while handling fairly heavy loads-- 6*6 or perhaps even 10*5.
But if you are interested in function over form then focus on BW along with huge compound movements [you're already doing them-- swings and snatches are about as huge as they come].

And deadlift, deadlift, deadlift...; triples, maybe doubles, and rarely, if ever, singles.

Chokeartist has posted on sandbag training-- head down to your local garden supply for some actual heavy duty sandbags, 100# sack of play sand and then stop off at an Army-Navy shop and pick up a basic seabag.

Voila- $50 bucks and you have all you'll ever need for truly raw PaleoFitness-- and it'll be much kinder to your delicate dermis than the rocks in the garden....

If it really was a 10# loss of muscle you'll get it back fast- just eat meat and eggs [and raw milk if you do the hunter/ gatherer/ herdsman variant-- preferable to factory shakes/ powders] and lift sh*t.

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Re: The Glorious and Paleolithic Body Movings of Lord Snoolington
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2007, 12:05:46 PM »
But paleo-man got 6 feet something and lean and muscular by doing what he does. If I want to be like him, then I can mimic his lifestyle, right?

As I mentioned this in a post on a different thread, don't discard methods that are proven to work just because paleo people didn't use them. Don't let paleo become a dogma.

In order to build muscle you need energy, which you get from food. Therefore you should be consuming lots of food. You can't build a house without bricks.
I don't know of any high level bodybuilders/powerlifters/football players (basicly, guys with huge muscular physiques) who don't eat regularly and eat a lot.
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Re: The Glorious and Paleolithic Body Movings of Lord Snoolington
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2007, 12:10:22 PM »
Great post Andro.

BTW in regards to sandbag training, I can't recommend that stuff highly enough. Just pretend the bag is an animal carcass that you're hauling back to your campsite, what could be more paleo than that  ;)
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« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2007, 01:02:51 PM »
Thanks for the comments. Perhaps some intelligent advice from people who know what they're talking about will be able to temper this overzealous kid's ignorance. ;)

First, careful about high speed work on unstable ground. While there is merit to your belief about the positive benefits, you can also create serious damage in what are inherently unstable joints-- with a lifelong price tag....

I guess you may have a point. After all, paleos, for the most part, did not need 80+ years of use from their joints. Still, though, I do not want to fall into the crowd who treads away on their ellipticals every day because they're "easy on the joints." Maybe it's foolish, but I just don't see the danger. There are lots of kids my age out there every day playing football and doing drills that include this sort of stress.

I'll do that sort of thing in moderation, but not exclude it.

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Second, if 'meat on your bones' ["form over function"] is your primary goal you need to keep the training pace brisk enough to create some semblance of a pump while handling fairly heavy loads-- 6*6 or perhaps even 10*5.
But if you are interested in function over form then focus on BW along with huge compound movements [you're already doing them-- swings and snatches are about as huge as they come].

Perhaps I overstated it... I don't want to "bulk up." Muscle gain is a goal, but not the sole purpose of this exercise. Functionality and health are important, as is my satisfaction with my routine. I'm not comfortable or happy doing the amount of volume that usually accompanies a specific goal of mass gain.

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And deadlift, deadlift, deadlift...; triples, maybe doubles, and rarely, if ever, singles.

I do like deadlifts. I don't want to do them every single routine, though, as the paleo principle of variety dictates. In adition, some people advise caution with them, especially for people still growing. (lol, how can I use that as an argument after I've basically rebuffed the ankle stress warning...). Besides, with the low bar I'm using, my hamstrings get sore for like at least like 4 days if I do deads in great volume.

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Chokeartist has posted on sandbag training-- head down to your local garden supply for some actual heavy duty sandbags, 100# sack of play sand and then stop off at an Army-Navy shop and pick up a basic seabag.

Voila- $50 bucks and you have all you'll ever need for truly raw PaleoFitness-- and it'll be much kinder to your delicate dermis than the rocks in the garden....

I've been looking at sandbags for a while. I'll work on it, thanks.

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If it really was a 10# loss of muscle you'll get it back fast- just eat meat and eggs [and raw milk if you do the hunter/ gatherer/ herdsman variant-- preferable to factory shakes/ powders] and lift sh*t.

I'm not *entirely* sure about the ten pound loss. Before the trip, my weight was either 135 or 125, and I lean very heavily toward 135, or at least above 130. When I got back, it was 120 on the dot. I noticed absolutely no change in any fat on my body (though that doesn't say much about whether I actually lost any), but I thought I noticed some of my muscles becoming less developed. When I got back, my mom could notice a change by looking at me, if that means anything. I just say ten pound loss because it's a nice round number. :)

@ Chokeartist

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As I mentioned this in a post on a different thread, don't discard methods that are proven to work just because paleo people didn't use them. Don't let paleo become a dogma.

Point well taken.

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In order to build muscle you need energy, which you get from food. Therefore you should be consuming lots of food. You can't build a house without bricks.
I don't know of any high level bodybuilders/powerlifters/football players (basicly, guys with huge muscular physiques) who don't eat regularly and eat a lot.

Like I said, maybe I overstated my desire to build muscle. A "wiry build" would be fine with me, as long as it is lean, muscular, and strong. I definitely do not care to be like a "bodybuilder, powerlifter, football player." All that said, gaining muscle is a goal of mine. I definitely eat a lot. I'm OK in that regard. Maybe you don't see it in my logs, but I do eat plenty.  I'm not convinced the eating frequently is necessary for muscle gain, though. That's certainly the traditional idea in bodybuilding circles, but paleo has taught us that traditional ideas are sometimes misguided. I'm sure I've read some stuff on that post in Dr. Eades's blog saying that muscle gain is possible.

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Re: The Glorious and Paleolithic Body Movings of Lord Snoolington
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2007, 02:51:37 PM »
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guess you may have a point. After all, paleos, for the most part, did not need 80+ years of use from their joints. Still, though, I do not want to fall into the crowd who treads away on their ellipticals every day because they're "easy on the joints." Maybe it's foolish, but I just don't see the danger. There are lots of kids my age out there every day playing football and doing drills that include this sort of stress
And getting hurt for it- 'cutting' on artificial turf/ high traction gym floors is the number one reason for knee injuries in post/adolescent athletes.
Also bear in mind that these athletes are training on flat level surfaces, not unstable ones-- what kiind of risk multiplier are you putting in play.

And early man did live longer than you might expect barring disease or injury- remember that breaking an arm was a likely death sentence.

I've dinged my knees in addtion to multiple other joints and bones-- and at not quite 3* your vintage [you're ~ 16, correct] let me tell you that you don't want to have to cash that check you're writing.

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