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any advice on getting a paleo toddler to SLEEP??
« on: December 23, 2010, 08:17:57 AM »
last 3 weeks kiddo (almost 2 yrs old) just doesn't sleep . . . he takes a short nap during the day (yesterday was only 1/2 hr) and he is up all freakin' night!!!!!  I would be more worried about it if he were irritable/tired during the day but he is just on the go ALL THE TIME, he just has so much energy.  And if he's awake during the night, he thinks Mama needs to be awake with him or he is one unhappy boy.  It's like having a newborn all over again, only they are easier since they generally go back to sleep once you feed/change them!

Any advice as to getting back into sleeping at night?

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Re: any advice on getting a paleo toddler to SLEEP??
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2010, 10:14:25 AM »
If you aren't already doing it, turning the lights down or out after dusk may help.  Our toddler gets about 2-3 hours of dim light before her bed time.


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Re: any advice on getting a paleo toddler to SLEEP??
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2010, 12:23:28 PM »
Mine was like that too... I had to run/wrestle with him every night until he was exhausted.  It was tough after a long days work but a man needs to sleep...

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Re: any advice on getting a paleo toddler to SLEEP??
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2010, 08:40:32 PM »
All our lights in the house are warm white / yellowish.
Not white.
White light keeps us awake.

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Re: any advice on getting a paleo toddler to SLEEP??
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2010, 05:12:12 AM »
I'd try the light thing too.  I'm pretty much anti-lighting anyway :)


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Re: any advice on getting a paleo toddler to SLEEP??
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2010, 07:45:56 AM »
all yellowish lighting here, I dislike white light too.  And yeah - dim already in the evenings - already trying to wear him out . . . I'm more so wondering if I need to adjust his diet since it seems he has too much energy - but am at a loss as to what to change.

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Re: any advice on getting a paleo toddler to SLEEP??
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2010, 11:32:51 AM »
A big dose of carbs in the evening, would keep him up and active for a bit, but I don't think that's what you're feeding him.

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Re: any advice on getting a paleo toddler to SLEEP??
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2010, 07:46:02 AM »
you're right, he gets meat + veggies at night. 

I'm starting to wonder too if this is just his molars coming in . . . one of the 2 yr ones just came in last week.  Last night was a BAD night.  Ugh . . . I just want some sleep!!!!!

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Re: any advice on getting a paleo toddler to SLEEP??
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2011, 01:23:35 PM »
Could you describe a typical bed time? Do you have a routine?

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Re: any advice on getting a paleo toddler to SLEEP??
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2011, 02:34:00 PM »
typical bedtime routine:

9pm, start getting ready for bed - pj's, fresh diaper, he wants some water, then we head upstairs. He's not anywhere near tired yet.  I usually let him play until 9:30pm, then it's lights off/dim light for the night.  He will usually consent to cuddle from then on.  Sleep though . . . ummm . . . no. He conks out anywhere from 10:30 - 11:45pm. 

From there he's up at least once or twice for a sip of water, and I can usually get him back to sleep fairly quickly.  But come 3am-ish . . . he's UP.  And he does NOT want to be alone . . .  I can rock him back to sleep, but the second I lift him over his crib, he's screaming.  I don't even have to set him down, he's screaming as soon as I just lift him over the rail. 

Since I do not particularly enjoy staying up for 2 hours in the middle of the night, I admit I have given up.  I need my sleep.  I just pick him up and plop him in bed with us and there, at least he isn't screaming.  Not sleeping, tossing and turning, but not screaming.  This way I can at least doze.  I never sleep well while he's in bed with us.  He kicks, he snores, etc. Once he finally falls back asleep, I put him back in his own bed (since I really don't want this to become a habit).  Sometimes he's good for the rest of the night/early morning, sometimes not.  If he's awake for more than 1/2 hr, this necessitates a diaper change.

Then we're up between 7 - 8am.  He can get by during the day with only a 15 min nap and he's STILL up all night.  He's not cranky during the day so it's not like he's not getting enough sleep.  Too bad the same can't be said of me!!  ;D

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Re: any advice on getting a paleo toddler to SLEEP??
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2011, 04:53:41 PM »
Could you try moving his crib into the room with you for a bit and see if being close to mom helps?  Maybe then you could get your sleep and he'd settle.

I'm not a parent, but I remember going through a really rough fear of the dark/nightmares stage when I was around 2-3 years old.

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Re: any advice on getting a paleo toddler to SLEEP??
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2011, 07:36:07 PM »
no room for the crib in our room :(  best we could do would be the pack N play but that would effectively block the doorway!   ;D  He used to sleep in our room in a little travel pack N play but he's too long for that now.

So I suppose, this is what we get to do for now.  I sure hope he outgrows this no-sleep stage!!

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Re: any advice on getting a paleo toddler to SLEEP??
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2011, 01:02:13 AM »
From the paleo point of view -and we're all paleo babies- your son is just doing what comes natural, he's a young, vulnerable animal of a social species that takes a long time to mature - of course he wants to sleep with you! Imagine a natural sleep for a human baby in a typical extended family group, various adults and older children around a fire - eating, socialising, telling stories....

It's a classic clash between paleo babies and 21st century parents and it's happening in millions of families all over the world.

I'll come back to this later (with some practical advice!)

    

    
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Re: any advice on getting a paleo toddler to SLEEP??
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2011, 07:43:49 AM »
oh, I know . . . it's not like cavemen put their babies in a corner of the cave and expected them to sleep there . . . he slept in our room from the day he got home from the NICU to 6 months old.  But dang it, I need MY sleep!  ;D  For a teeny little peanut, he sure can take up a queen size bed.

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Re: any advice on getting a paleo toddler to SLEEP??
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2011, 09:33:24 AM »
here's my suggestion - it worked for me!

I never got into the low lights thing - sounds like a good idea though, but I wouldn't keep the house too quiet, I always had music on. The kid needs to feel safe so it's good for him to have background noise - it reassures him that you're still around even if you're not at his side.

You need to have a routine and stick to it - I went with getting ready for bed then a story read in the bedroom then bed.

You have to work hard at remaining calm and matter of fact about bedtime - try to avoid bargaining, threatening, pleading, bribing or losing your temper - these are all bad! Work on being nurturing and loving but at the same time being firm and strong.

The story is very important I think - and you should never use it as a bargaining tool - always make it the best experience you can, don't rush it, get cuddled up with him and put some feeling into your reading  - and they love having the same story read many times. Always just one story then bed and a kiss then you walk out of the room. If you get into a nice story session every night it can become a moment that you can both (you and your son) use to call a truce if there has been tension before - but it's important for you to always leave any baggage behind when you're reading the story.

The way I used to get my son to go to sleep by himself might seem a bit cold hearted to some but it worked and made for a happier family all round.

My son was a lot younger - about 14 months so you might have to adapt it a bit...

You start with the routine, including the story, then tucked in, a kiss, say night night or whatever you say, and you leave. The idea is to leave him screaming or crying for a fixed length of time - 10 minutes in my case - then you go back in calmly and just put him back down saying "come on now off to sleep" or something like that, then walk out again as before - another 10 minutes and repeat.

The first night it took an hour, the second 30 minutes then the third he went off to sleep the first time and we had a lovely bedtime every night for years until he felt he was too old for stories and started reading encyclopaedias in bed.

My daughter had a lot more "character" and always tried to run the bedtime routine - in the end though we usually had a positive bed time