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Offline Eric

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Polygamy
« on: July 01, 2011, 06:14:30 AM »
(Sorry in advance, in a playful mood this morning)

I'm looking for solid empirical evidence on why I should have multiple wives.  Please provide any links/information so I can share with my woman.

For some reason she and I aren't on the same page about this...

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Re: Polygamy
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2011, 06:59:22 AM »
If I were up for that sort of lifestyle, I'd try to look at it as having a live in housekeeper/cook with benefits  ;D  Hey, after all, I'm wife #1 so I get to tell her/them what to do!   . . . at least in MY house that's how it would go. 8)


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Re: Polygamy
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2011, 07:04:33 AM »
One thing is when she gets pregnant she is only going to get pregnant once a year. Sometimes with twins or triplets but usually with only one child. But for you. It is possible for you to get a different woman pregnant everyday. Well, actually not that often because your sperm count will drop if you sleep with a different woman everyday.  But perhaps once a week.  But how many kids do you want?

Other benefits is she will have help with the house work.

However, she will want multiple husbands.   

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Re: Polygamy
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2011, 07:10:48 AM »
Forget polygamy. Polyamory is a much easier sell and it's not illegal in most States.  :o

http://www.newsweek.com/2009/07/28/only-you-and-you-and-you.html

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Re: Polygamy
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2011, 07:58:47 AM »
(Sorry in advance, in a playful mood this morning)

I'm looking for solid empirical evidence on why I should have multiple wives.  Please provide any links/information so I can share with my woman.

For some reason she and I aren't on the same page about this...

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Re: Polygamy
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2011, 08:11:15 AM »
Polygamy is the paleo way.

- "modern" contraception is unhealthy. http://www.curemanual.com/2011/06/never-use-stop-using-chemical-and-hormonal-birth-control/

- non-contraceptive women stop having sex when they feel they've had enough children. 

- Is it realistic for any healthy PALEO man to NOT have sex by 30-40 if his wife has stopped having sex?

- polygamy is practical, realistic and is the natural way of the human species.

Am also a fan of the "Sister Wives", download a torrent. http://tlc.howstuffworks.com/tv/sister-wives

How monogamy really works: http://www.pronatal.org/2011/06/05/how-monogamy-really-works-hard-truth/

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Re: Polygamy
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2011, 11:57:29 AM »
How monogamy really works: http://www.pronatal.org/2011/06/05/how-monogamy-really-works-hard-truth/

ROFLMAO!!!!!  Gee, maybe I've been doing something wrong these past 17 years that makes my husband WANT to be monogamus . . .  :o  I can definitely say the above link does NOT apply to every single monogamus relationship.  Maybe it's true for some . . . but certainly not all.

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Re: Polygamy
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2011, 12:19:53 PM »
I can definitely say the above link does NOT apply to every single monogamus relationship.  Maybe it's true for some . . . but certainly not all.

It certainly doesn't apply to ours, either.

Paleolithic peoples lived in small bands scattered over large areas with very low population densities.  The opportunity for cheating outside the band was probably very limited.

It would be interesting to find out how things worked within the bands.  Did they have an alpha male and an alpha female, who monopolized all the breeding, like wolves?  Were there perhaps a group of related females who bred with a group of perhaps related males, like lions?  Or were there marriages, perhaps monogamous, within the bands?

It strikes me that cheating within a band would have had major detrimental effects on social cohesion within such a small group.  If there was much mixing, it was probably more like what lions have, where they all acknowledge what's going on, than like what modern humans have.

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Re: Polygamy
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2011, 01:27:33 PM »
this brought another question to mind . . . I get what the link is saying about how families wouldn't consider a child by another woman (same father) THEIR child/grandchild/niece/nephew.  So then, I wonder how that does work in polygamy - is the wife allowed to "cheat" however discreetly?  If she's going the paleo way of sperm competition to get the best odds -  say she then has a child by another man.  Is the husband responsible for that child, or does it go to the biological father?  This has me curious . . . recent related article in this month's Discover magazine too . . .

Glad I don't have to deal with it . . .  ;)

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Re: Polygamy
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2011, 02:55:52 PM »
It would be interesting to find out how things worked within the bands.  Did they have an alpha male and an alpha female, who monopolized all the breeding, like wolves?  Were there perhaps a group of related females who bred with a group of perhaps related males, like lions?  Or were there marriages, perhaps monogamous, within the bands?

It strikes me that cheating within a band would have had major detrimental effects on social cohesion within such a small group.  If there was much mixing, it was probably more like what lions have, where they all acknowledge what's going on, than like what modern humans have.

It would be interesting to go back in time and see how our great-to-the-nth ancestors lived day to day.  I don't remember when we (as a species) made the connection between sex and pregnancy, but I'd guess in the paleolithic era they hadn't put that two and two together yet--so "who's the baby's father" wouldn't have been an issue, it would be the mother's baby, and the tribe's baby.  Did we still form pair bonds, staying attached to a partner even though we might have sex with someone else?  Or was it like our chimp cousins, where the boss chimp gets dibs on breeding females?  (One thing about human females, we really can't tell when we're fertile.)

It's a fascinating thing to wonder about; we can get a pretty good idea of what we ate and how we lived, but these finer nuances of social interaction are harder to get from fossils and artifacts.

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Re: Polygamy
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2011, 03:39:08 PM »
I have to admit to skepticism about the "women want sperm competition" thing.  Usually in polygynous animals, the females select the largest and strongest available mate, so why would they want to contaminate their samples with sperm from an inferior male?  This is true in gorillas, for example, where one male keeps a harem; male gorillas have tiny testes compared with their body size, indicating that there's virtually no sperm competition.

Chimps are an example of a species with a lot of sperm competition, and they have no pair bonding and their promiscuity is quite open.  The females do have sex with multiple males, but then they get a payment of food from each sexual partner, so it's not just sperm competition.

Human testes, by the way, are intermediate between chimps and gorillas, and comparable to gibbons, in size relative to body size.  Gibbons are also monogamous, suggesting that humans may also be naturally monogamous, although there could be other explanations.

It would be interesting to go back in time and see how our great-to-the-nth ancestors lived day to day.  I don't remember when we (as a species) made the connection between sex and pregnancy, but I'd guess in the paleolithic era they hadn't put that two and two together yet--so "who's the baby's father" wouldn't have been an issue, it would be the mother's baby, and the tribe's baby.  Did we still form pair bonds, staying attached to a partner even though we might have sex with someone else?  Or was it like our chimp cousins, where the boss chimp gets dibs on breeding females?  (One thing about human females, we really can't tell when we're fertile.)

You females may not be able to tell, but a former girlfriend once told me that I always wanted sex right when she ovulated, and not at other times, based on her calculations.  I wasn't tracking the timing consciously or anything, and we were both trying to avoid pregnancy anyway.  There must have been some subconscious cue that I could sense that she wasn't aware of.

We were at least as smart in the later paleolithic as we are now, so I suspect we were smart enough to make the connection between sex and children.  The babies might still have been cared for communally as you describe, though; I can imagine my brother and me sharing a bunch of women and not caring who the father of the children was.

Even if we didn't connect sex to children, that doesn't mean we wouldn't care who the baby's father was.  Lions probably aren't smart enough consciously to connect sex to children, but they still kill off the cubs of other fathers when taking over a pride.

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Re: Polygamy
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2011, 03:46:49 PM »
Polygamy is practiced in first world countries as:

- never getting married and having non-married sex with multiple partners, friends with benefits, professionals, etc.

- serial polygamy aka the DIVORCE culture... which I think is ugly.  I like addition.  But subtraction just sucks.

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Re: Polygamy
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2011, 05:46:08 PM »
Polygamy is the paleo way.

Do you have actual evidence to support this? Because I don't buy it.

There are a number of animals that are naturally monogamous.

As Warren points out:

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Gibbons are also monogamous, suggesting that humans may also be naturally monogamous, although there could be other explanations.

Given that humans are very prone to jealousy, I have the feeling that we lean towards wanting one sexual partner and person, if only for purely selfish reasons. How many women, given a choice really want to share their husband with someone else? Not many. I'd also put forth that even men that sort of like the idea of having more than one wife would probably not be amused with the idea of sharing her with another man.

That being said, I've often mused that I'd like a wife myself. Not for sex, but to help me with all the things I don't have time to do during the day.

AND I'm also of an age that has no interest in having children but I have absolutely not intention of giving up sex. That's crazy talk.


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Re: Polygamy
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2011, 07:21:01 PM »
(Sorry in advance, in a playful mood this morning)

I'm looking for solid empirical evidence on why I should have multiple wives.  Please provide any links/information so I can share with my woman.

For some reason she and I aren't on the same page about this...

Lolololol! Somebody else to do the housework would be good. Somebody else to help spend DH's income not so good. How rich are you? I reckon that makes a difference.    ;D

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Re: Polygamy
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2011, 06:06:41 AM »
But for you. It is possible for you to get a different woman pregnant everyday.

Is that a challenge? 

Just had a new website idea:  1chickAday.com