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My diet consists only of meat, fruit, salt, and water. That's it. No herbs, seasonings, vegetables, etc. And by "meat," I mean 100% grass-fed beef and wild seafood.

Currently, I'm struggling to get enough healthy, tasty, inexpensive animal fat in my diet. When I used to have significantly more money and selection, and a grill, it was easier.  I regularly cooked things like short ribs on my grill, and consumed things like uni (sea urchin gonads) raw.

Then I got poor, moved to a town with way less selection, and moved into an apartment where I can't grill.  Fortunately, I found an extemeley inexpensive source of grass-fed beef (a wholesaler who sells to the public), and have been practically living off the stuff.

Problem is, I'm not getting enough fat in my diet, and I'm suffering. I'm so sick of steak--even the fattiest ribeyes and strip steaks I can find--and I'm not a fan of straight marrow.  It seems that short ribs are the only cut fatty enough for me to feel satisfied on a regular basis.  I don't believe my butcher has grass-fed short ribs available. I suppose I could special order them, but I don't think I'd be able to cook them satisfactorily without a grill (though perhaps it's worth trying).

I'm finding myself craving fatty fish like wild sea bass, but it's extremely expensive and not available where I live. I'm not a big fan of salmon, but that's too expensive too.  Fresh sardines, anchovies, and mackerel are relatively cheap, but again, they're not available in the lower class town I just moved to.  I used to love mussels, but I got sick of them. I could practically live off of live (cooked) crawdads, but again, too expensive.  Same with live shrimp (I don't like the taste of shrimp that isn't cooked live). Same with live crab. Clams are ok, but too tough. I don't like most fish, because it's too lean.  Shiro maguro tataki (relatively fatty albacore tuna raw on the inside, seared on the outside by myself) is delicious, but probably too expensive (but maybe worth looking for, since I can store it frozen). Uni is too expensive and not available where I live. Same with geoduck clams (yum).  I'm open to trying other fish if people have ideas. Note that I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, and I like to eat food that is fresh and ideally local.

I know this is a tall order, but does anyone have any ideas?

To read more about my diet, see my food journal at's-extremist-meat-and-fruit-paleo-journal/

Thanks in advance for your help!

By the way, please don't bother suggesting extraneous sources of fat such as butter, grease, oil, lard, or tallow. I want a natural solution that doesn't involve combining foods or supplementing my diet with extracted foods.

Exercises / Best weightlifting routine to maximize caveman abilities?
« on: March 29, 2012, 06:26:38 PM »
I'm trying to come up with the best possible lifting routine to mimic caveman skills.  I want to work out at home, and I don't have a ton of money, space, or time, so I'm trying to keep it as simple as possible, while covering all of the major caveman strength abilities.

Here are the exercises I'm thinking of incorporating into my routine, along with the matching caveman skills:

  • carrying heavy objects (boulders, logs, carcasses, etc.) --> farmer's walk (i.e., deadlift plus walking)
  • lifting or throwing heavy objects (rocks, etc.) above my head --> clean and jerk
  • pushing heavy objects (boulders, logs, carcasses, etc.) --> dragging weights on the floor with a rope and my arms in front of me (does this have a name?)
  • pulling heavy objects (boulders, logs, carcasses, etc.) behind me --> dragging weights on the floor with a rope and my arms behind me (does this have a name?)
  • pulling heavy objects (boulders, logs, carcasses, etc.) that I'm facing --> dragging weights that I'm facing on the floor with a rope (does this have a name?)
  • climbing --> pull-ups / muscle-ups (i.e., pull-up plus upward half of dip)

Am I missing any major caveman strength abilities?

Any other suggestions?

FYI, here's the equipment I've purchased, which should arrive soon:
  • PowerBlock XXXL Heavyweight adjustable dumbbell set, which varies in 2.5-5 pound increments from 10 to 125 pounds per hand (expandable to 175 pounds if necessary); note that I do not have room for barbells or machines in my apartment
  • flat bench
  • weightlifting shoes
  • Starting Strength book by Mark Rippetoe (for deadlift and bench press)
  • Olympic Weightlifting book (for clean and jerk) by Greg Everett
  • Olympic Weightlifting DVD (for clean and jerk) by Greg Everett
  • automobile towing rope threaded through a metal pipe to drag dumbbells along carpet (not yet purchased, but thinking about it)

Food Journals / Dman's Extremist Meat-and-Fruit Paleo Journal
« on: March 15, 2012, 01:30:03 AM »
Hi everyone. 

I have a rather extreme version of the paleo diet: I eat only whole fruit, 100% grass-fed beef, wild seafood, spring water, and sea salt.  That's it.  No seeds, herbs, spices, flavorings, added fats, etc.  I don't combine foods at all.

This is in part due to my having been diagnosed with numerous dietary intolerances; in part due to how much healthier I feel and look on this diet (I lost 45 pounds, cut my body fat from 28% to 13%, got rid of 95% of the acne I once had, and improved my digestion, energy, and overall happiness immensely); and in part due to my desire to eat as much like our ancestors as possible.

To read my story in more detail, visit

For notes on what I cook and eat, see below.  Feel free to ask questions, make suggestions, or add comments.  I look forward to interacting with you all!

Suggestion: To see my most up-to-date like-and-dislike food list, as well as current cooking methods, skip to the end of this thread.

Introductions / Hello from a Paleo extremist
« on: March 15, 2012, 01:20:22 AM »
Hi everyone,

I've been eating paleo on and off since 2007, but I've been doing it almost entirely on my own, so I thought I'd try to connect with some fellow paleo dieters here. 

I'm what you might call a paleo extremist—I eat only unprocessed, natural meat and whole fruit, plus spring water and the occasional sprinkle of sea salt—no added fats, herbs, spices, veggies, seeds, beans, etc.—as close as possible to what I imagine our ancient, ancient tropical ancestors ate when their cooking was as rudimentary as possible and fruit was readily available.  To understand how I've arrived at such an extreme diet, keep reading.  I'll try to be succinct:

I started the Paleo diet because I was tired of taking medication for acne, and I came upon Loren Cordain's e-book: The Dietary Cure for Acne.  I then read Cordain's The Paleo Diet and was hooked.

Cordain's version of the paleo diet improved my acne probably 75%.

Then, in 2011, I was diagnosed gluten intolerant by some testing recommended by my primary MD from  The testing also revealed substantial intestinal IgA antibodies to the proteins of cow's milk, soy, egg, and nuts.  Another MD then ordered more testing for me from  These tests found substantial blood IgG antibodies not only to the ingredients just mentioned, but also to garlic, broccoli, cauliflower, coffee, basil, all sorts of beans and seeds, and a few other herbs/spices/vegetables as well.

As a result of this latest round of testing, I have taken the paleo diet to an extreme:

I am trying to eat as much like our ancient, ancient ancestors as possible.

I try to eat foods completely uncombined.  That is, one food at a time, with zero mixing.  Also, I'm aiming for minimal processing and minimal farming.

Currently, my diet consists only of fruit and meat.  Nothing else.  No vegetables, beans, seeds, or added fats.  No herbs or spices beyond sea salt.

Whenever possible, the fruit I eat is organic and local.  I try to eat whole instead of juicing whenever possible.  As far as meat is concerned, I try to eat only fresh, wild, local seafood, and 100% grass-fed beef.

The biggest challenge is cooking without spices, herbs, and added fats.  I've tried baking, grilling with propane, grilling with charcoal, smoking, broiling, frying, and a modern technique called sous vide.

There is something about grilling over an open fire that is very satisfying, more than any other cooking method.  Perhaps there's an instinct that causes me to enjoy the smell, sight, and feel of the flames, especially as it sears and roasts my dinner.  I used to grill over 100% natural lump charcoal.  Currently, I don't have access to a grill, so I fry in a non-toxic, non-stick pan with no added fat, or I broil under a gas broiler.

Some of my favorite foods are pan-fried, grass-fed hamburger patties; broiled mussels; and raw oysters.  I also enjoy steamed, live crab, lobster, crawdads, and sweet shrimp.  I also enjoy sea urchin gonads (uni, in Japanese) raw, every now and then.

As a result of the modifications I've made to my diet, as a result of the intolerances with which I was diagnosed, my acne improved another 20% or so, such that it's now about 95% better than it was before I went paleo.  Also, in 2011, I was eating whatever I felt like, and weighed 187 pounds with 27% body fat.  A year later, after switching to the diet I just detailed, I weighed 146 with 14% body fat.  This is all with zero exercise routine and zero restriction of food quantities (I eat as much as I feel like, until I feel full).  And so, I cut my weight by about 40 pounds and dropped my body fat in half simply by simplifying my diet.

Anyway, just wanted to introduce myself.  If you have any comments or questions, shoot.

For details about my diet, see my Food Journal at's-extremist-meat-and-fruit-paleo-journal/

I hope to get to know some of you and to trade wisdom we've acquired throughout our respective paleo journeys :)


1. Has anyone here had success with abandoning veggies altogether, in favor of fruit?

2. Has anyone here had success with roasting veggies without any oil or seasoning whatsoever?  If so, how (preferred veggies, times, temperatures, methods, etc.)?

3. Can anyone here point me to any solid anthropological evidence regarding whether our ancient ancestors preferred fruits or veggies, and in what ratio?


I'm new to this forum, but you might say that I take paleo/caveman eating to an extreme.  I try to prepare and eat food as close as possible to how our ancient ancestors might have prepared and ate them (within reason).  I've been experimenting for about 5 years, and I'm currently extremely happy with my meat and fruit intake.  I eat both meat and fruit alone, one ingredient at a time, without any seasoning or mixing, as our ancient ancestors might have (with the exception of salt on meat, since I prefer salt to blood; and yes, I do grill my meat).

What I'm still not sure about is whether and how to fit veggies into my diet.  As I'm becoming better at feeding myself, I'm becoming more of a purist, and I'm at the point where I'm committed to preparing and eating veggies as similarly to our ancestors as possible, just as I do with fruit and meat.  I refuse to use any added fat when cooking veggies, because I doubt our ancient ancestors did so.  I don't enjoy raw veggies whatsoever (please don't try to convince me otherwise).  And I doubt our ancestors steamed veggies.  I can only imagine that they dry-roasted their veggies alongside their meats over an open fire.  I suppose I should try that, but I'm not optimistic that it will turn out very appetizing, compared to meat and fruit.  I've tried grilling veggies without oil, but the veggies tend to burn on the outside and/or remain undercooked on the inside. 

So I'm considering dry-roasting in the oven or on the stove.  I'm thinking of starting with carrots and mushrooms, maybe also brussels sprouts, asparagus, etc.

I'm also considering abandoning veggies altogether and sticking with a diet purely of fruit and meat.  I know, I've read all the stuff about modern fruits being more sugary than ancient wild fruits, but whatever—I'm guessing that domesticated fruits are a heck of a lot closer to a cavemen diet than veggies coated with oil.  I have a hard time imagining cavemen pressing olives or rendering lard.


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