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Food Journals / Re: DeusVult's Food Journal
« on: October 04, 2011, 11:24:36 AM »
Traditionally made cured meats do not contain tons of preservatives.  Ham can be cured with only salt, as can pepperoni and bacon.  Nitrates are not necessary for curing meat, although this makes the process safer.  Bratwurst does not need to contain any preservatives, because it is a fresh sausage.  So, if one is careful about choosing products, i. e., reading the labels, these meat products need not be judged necessarily "harmful".  But probably they probably aren't paleo if they contain nitrates/nitrites.  I personally do not mind a little nitrate/nitrite in my diet.

Food Journals / Re: DeusVult's Food Journal
« on: October 04, 2011, 08:59:30 AM »
I am not trying to follow a strict paleo diet, just recording what I eat.  Whence comes the assumption that paleolithic man did not have salt to cure meat?

Food Journals / Re: DeusVult's Food Journal
« on: October 04, 2011, 08:04:23 AM »
Monday, 2011-10-03

6 oz grill-roasted chicken, with lemon, rosemary, and garlic
(This would probably be a good paleo recipe if anyone wants me to post it.)
calories: 400
carb content: 0

Daily totals
calories: 1375
carbs: 20.5
% calories from carbs: 6%

Tuesday, 2011-10-04

one egg fried in bacon grease
4 oz honey ham fried in bacon grease
calories: 300
carb content: 8.5 g

6 oz grill-roasted chicken (from last night)
calories: 460
carb content:  15  g

Food Journals / DeusVult's Food Journal
« on: October 03, 2011, 07:18:29 AM »
So, I thought I would start a food journal so I could keep track of exactly what I am eating.  If anyone has read my other two posts, I have stated that my family is not paleo, but this seems a good place to get some constructive criticism.  I do buy into the idea that our (regular Americans) diets are way too high in carbohydrates, but I have never really tried to track it for myself.  So here goes.

Sunday, 2011-10-02

4 slices bacon
calories:  170
carb content: 0.5 g


1/2 homemade calzone with cheese, peppers, pepperoni
calories:  1500
carb content:  100 g

Daily totals
calories: 1670
carbs:  100.5
% calories from carbs: 24%

Monday, 2011-10-03

one egg fried in bacon grease
one bratwurst fried in bacon grease
carb content:  2.5 g
calories:  375
1/2 cup sauerkraut with bacon grease
6 oz grilled pork chop
carb content: 18 g
calories:  600

Diet and nutrition / Re: Too much conflict with Nutrition!
« on: September 30, 2011, 08:34:00 AM »
People often confuse the life expectancy statistics with the average age of people when they die. It is life expectancy at birth and The United States has an a higher infant mortality rate than many First World countries, which lowers overall life expectancy stats.

This is a key point many people miss when thinking about traditional diets/health.  Just because life expectancy has been calculated to be statistically low for some ancient societies/peoples does not mean that no one lived to be very old.  Lots of people died young from things we do not die from now.  For example, a simple, small laceration that would be stiched up now, with antiseptics applied, in the past could lead very easily to a systemic infection that resulted in death.

Diet and nutrition / Re: Breakfasts
« on: September 28, 2011, 07:07:08 PM »
Bacon can be pre-cooked and reheated, and it's not bad.  Most markets have "breakfast" cuts of meat, just thinly sliced pork chops, steak, etc.  Those cook in, literally, two minutes.  Another option is a breakfast casserole, made the evening before and popped in the oven when you get up.  It will be ready to eat when you're showered and ready for the day.  If you will eat cured meats (some are made without nitrites/nitrates), those are ready to eat as is.  Ham, if on your menu, is another option.  Wrap around some melon for a nice treat.  There are so many ways to make eggs, I never tire.  I eat eggs almsot every breakfast.  My children like soft-boiled (4 min) eggs, just plain with a pinch of salt.  Try Scotch eggs, sausage wrapped eggs.  These can be reheated well.  If you like spice, then a jalapeno, stuffed with your favorite stuffing, wrapped in sausage and deep fried is good, even room temp.  Smoked salmon is very nice for breakfast as well, if you can afford it.

Exercises / New to Strength Training
« on: September 28, 2011, 01:49:18 PM »
This is only my second post, on the Caveman forum; my first was just introducing myself.  My family and I are definitely not 100% paleo, perhaps maybe 75%?  I don't know how to figure it.  We are more on a natural food program, something like Weston Price style.  Even so, I have read a number of threads here, and found much useful information so far.  I have some questions about strength training, and since there seem to be some knowledgeable people here, who also reject the low(er?) fat diet routines often advocated in the fitness industry, I thought I would pose my questions here.

I have never done any real strength training, but did have a gym membership about 9 years ago.  I did lift weights on the Nautilus machines and also ran on the treadmills probably 2 or 3 times a week.  I realize this is NOT strength training.  My previous experience was supposedly about losing a little weight, general fitness, I guess.

My wife has been doing cardio (treadmill) and what she says is "weights" probably three times a week for the past several months.  She did aerobics for a while before that.  She has lost a few pounds, but I really don't see much progress.  We  have a family membership, so I have good access to a fully outfitted weight room.  There are some real weights and weightlifters at this gym. 

I am not in terrible shape, nor especially weak, but I get very little exercise.  Most exercise I get is just mowing the grass, general home repair, moving furniture, you know the routine.  I do not exercise aerobically at all.  I am 43 years old, not obese, about 195 lbs on my 6' frame.  I would say I have a medium build. Not flabby, except for a little around my mid section.  My wife is 33 years old, 5'11", probably 150-155 lbs (she doesn't like to talk about it  ;)).  She definitely does not look fat, though she is concerned about her hips/thighs/butt.  She does not have a lot of muscle tone, and I think she could benefit from some real strength training.  But, I would have to know something about it to convince her, I think.  She'd run for hours if she could stand it, but I just don't think it's doing much good.  And her knees have started to bother her too.

I have read up on the Starting Strength program of Mark Rippetoe, and believe I have a fairly good idea about how it is supposed to work.  Basically, as I understand it, one does 3 sets of 5 reps on five or six  basic compound lifts, divided between alternating days, three days a week, with an additional rest period of two days between weekly cycles.

A basic program might be as illustrated below:

Workout A
3x5 Squat
3x5 Bench Press
1x5 Deadlift

Workout B
3x5 Squat
3x5 Standing military press
3x5 Power cleans

Week 1:
Monday - Workout A
Wednesday - Workout B
Friday - Workout A

Sat/Sun - rest

Week 2:
Monday - Workout B
Wednesday - Workout A
Friday - Workout B

So, I have some questions about this, for anyone willing to weigh in.
  • How many here have done strength training in this way and what were your experiences?
  • I have read comments in the affirmative, but is this an effective program for women as well?  Any modifications?
  • Does it matter when I would work out?  For me, early morning would be best, probably 6 am or earlier, basically as soon as I can get up and get to the gym.  During the day, lunchtime, and nights will not work well for me due to schedules but anything is possible if one is dedicated.
  • If I work out that early, do I have to eat beforehand?
  • After I work out, should be sure to have some protein, like a eggs/bacon?
  • Does it matter if I work out the same time every day?  It seems that if the workout was late one day and the next (two days later) was early, I wouldn't have the full benefit of the recovery period.
  • How do I determine how much weight to start with?  I know I must learn proper technique for each lift and also that the program includes probably 4 warm-up sets of 5 reps on the empty bar, and successively higher weights, ending with a weight perhaps 15% less than the work sets.  I just don't know where to start.  I wouldn't mind wasting a workout or two figuring it out, but I don't want to spend three weeks lifting weights that are too light until I find the weight that I can do 3X5.
My goals are pretty simple.  While I am currently strong enough to do the physical work that I need to do, I would like to be stronger.  I also would like increased endurance for hard physical labor.  I would like to lose my spare tire as well.  I work in an office/lab, so I don't really perform much physical labor at my job.  I do all my own home repairs though.  I think that strength training would improve my sense of wellbeing, general health (which is not currently bad), and reduce vulnerability to illness and injury as I age, not to mention avoiding degenerative diseases.  I wouldn't mind being "ripped" as they say, but it's not a primary goal.  My wife would like it though, as I would for her. :D Thanks to anyone who read this long post!

Introductions / New Here
« on: September 15, 2011, 07:46:31 AM »
I thought I ought to introduce myself for a first post on this forum.  I am 43 years old, 6 ft 193 lbs, married with three young children.  I am a toxicologist. I have been aware of the paleo WOE for probably five years or more, but my family and I definitely do not have what would be considered a paleo diet on this forum.  We adhere more to a Weston Price sort of diet.  That means we do eat all forms of dairy and also bread products, beans (though I'm the only one who really likes them), as well as some refined sugar (which is much preferable to HFCS, in my opinion).   My wife and I are technically "foodies" in the culinary sense, and cook everything from scratch except a couple of condiments (non-HFCS ketchup, mustard, BBQ sauce).

My wife still has an attachment to soda pop, Dr. Pepper specifically.  My children get way too much fruit juice for my liking, but I have to compromise somewhat with my wife on things like this.  For myself, I scrupulously avoid HFCS; soy; all vegetable oils except olive, pure peanut, and coconut; all hydrogenated oils/fats; and MSG as much as possible.  We only use butter, natural lard/bacon fat, or olive oil as fats.  We do occasionally deep fry in peanut oil.  I would like to convert to lard or tallow (for which I have a good natural source in the form of a local farmer/meat man) for all deep frying but my wife isn't quite there yet.

My aim over the last 10 years has been only to eat those things with ingredients I could (if I chose) prepare at home.  Obviously, things like HFCS or canola oil are only availble through industrial, chemical processes, so those were out at the very beginning.  I am not sure of the actual percentages of macro ingredients I get right now, never really taking the time to calculate it.  I basically eat whatever I want within the previously mentioned restrictions.  I am sure our fat consumption is way above the government's or mainstream health orgs "recommendations".

Over the past 3 years or so I have lost around 30-35 pounds, but much of that came off via traditional Lenten fasting.  For those who don't know, this means (most days) only one meal with meat and two snack type meals all totalling about 1.5 meal equivalents on a caloric basis.  So, If I normally ate say, 2400 cal per day, on a fast day it would be less than 1600 cal.  Certain days no meat at all is allowed.  Lent is 40 days long.  There are also other fast days during the year on the traditional Catholic calendar.  Anyway..

Coming here, I am hoping to learn more about traditional food preparation.  I have not accepted the idea that grains and dairy are bad, but I will start another thread with some questions and observations about what is considered "paleo".  I also have found the exercise threads to be very informative and want to know more about strength training specifically.  The mainstream idea that hours upon hours of endurance cardio is good for people has always seemed a little suspect to me, and it seems that many here agree with that.

I suppose that is all for now.  I am pleased I found this forum.

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